Unless Rafa finally understands what every other coach of every team in every sport in the world understands, that team chemistry is vital, we won't win a thing. He had to pick a team and stick with it. Let them learn each other's moves and moods. Let them work together, get a confidence in each other and then finally Liverpool will field a great side. But this constant switching, changing and altering lineups is perhaps the dumbest coaching move in history. It won't work. It won't win a thing.
At the risk of being ridiculed again, I say get rid of the manager. Rafa had more than enough time and money to put together the ultimate dream team and he failed miserably. Most of the players, are great individual technicians but they just don't click as a team and our visionary managers plays them in the wrong position all the time. Never mind how much Babbel is costing us at this point of time, i think Rafa has coast the club and us the fans all the major prizes we could have won this year and many more to come. Criticalmind says" Rafa is not a fool and that he knows what he is doing, I say Criticalmind must live on another planet or he is related to the Benitez's family. It is abundantly obvious, we MUST... MUST... MUST get rid of Benitez he is not a fool, he is a total moron who through some desperate negotiations managed to weasel his way into a job he cant handle, and now he is milking it for what its worth. The man wouldn't be able find his way out of a wet paper bag. The league is full of ambitious and talented managers that will jump to the opportunity; some one like Sven Ericsen who managed to weave his magic at MC with half our resources and produced some respectable results and only in a couple of months or Wegner how achieved the impossible with a team of virtual unknowns. Wake up people... Rafa is a walking disaster and its much worse now with out Pako. I shudder to think as to what is being said within the clubs' walls as we speak. I am sure they are not singing words of praise.
i too am frustrated at rafa. but its not yet time for him to go. at the end of the season then i will judge him. critical mind has had alot of critism from me latley but alot of the time he talks sense, you dont like rafa fair enough but he is going nowere yet, so like all of us its a waiting game, i am not happy either , so for me its the end of the season then there will be no excuses....
ROUMAN REDHOT, I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD GIVE RAFA UNTIL THE END OF THE SEASON, IF THINGS HAVN'T IMPROVED THEN THE BOARD NEED TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A LONG THINK AS TO WHAT DIRECTION THE CLUB IS GOING IN.AND RAFA WILL BE GIVEN THE BOOT RAFA IS MAKING A HELL OF A LOT OF MISTAKES AT PRESENT, HE IS SO STUBOURN REGARDING ROTATION, HE IS PLAYING PLAYERS OUT OF POSITION, HE SEMS TO ALTER THE SIDE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT. BUT WE ARE STILL UNBEATEN IN THE PREMIER AND ONLY SIX POINTS OFF THE TOP, HAD THAT CLOWN STYLES NOT ROBBED US OF VICTORY AGAINST CHELSEA WE WOULD BE EVEN CLOSER. SACKIING THE MANAGER IN MID SEASON TO MY MIND WONT SERVE ANY PUPOSE. WE AE ONLY A QUARTER OF THE WAY INTO THE SEASON AND RAFA HAS TIME TO TURN HINGS AROUND. LETS WAIT AND SEE WHAT TRANSPIRES.I JUST WISH THE MAN WOULD LISTERN TO SENSE IT IS SO BLOODY OBVIOUS THAT HE'S ROTATION POLOCY IS KILLING THE TEAM, WHY OH WHY CANT HE JUST PICK HIS BEST TEAM , WE THE FANS KNOW WHO SHOULD BE PLAYING. I MUST SAY I'M NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE TINKERMAN AT THE MOMENT, HE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE SACK AND NEEDS TO GET HIS ACT TOGETHER. THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING I CAN SEE US NOT MAKING THE FINAL STAGES OF THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, AND US NOT ENDING IN THE TOP FOUR AND QUALIFYING FOR NEXT YEARS COMPETITION. THAT WOULD BE A DISATER FOR A CLUB LIKE US AND IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN WOULD MEAN RAFA SIGNING HIS OWN DEATH WARRANT.
he's finally killing off the passion stevie g had, i was bemused at taking s/g off v everton he was lucky in that game if we never had lucky pen ,we def need some british ideas in our management team maybe then our form will become more consistant wat worries me is the c/l normally is where we do well to the point of winning it !
WHY ISNT RYAN BABELL GETTING MORE GAMES ? NOT MANY MANAGERS WOULD PAY 12M = 15M TO HAVE THERE PLAYER SITTING ON THE BENCH. I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND RAFA, WE LACK FLAIR PLAYERS AND YET BOTH BABELL AND BENNYOUN ( BOTH WINGERS ) DIDNT PLAY AGAINST ARESENAL YET KUYT AND VORONIN DID AS WINGERS ?
Submitted by Criticalmind on Tue, 2007-10-30 17:15.
Had we played Babel and Benayoun against Arsenal, we would not have got a chance to construct and arsenal would have had bagged 4-5 goals from the very beginning like it was against porto when Rafa tried to set up an attacking teams with torres, babel and pennant.
Its clear that Rafa played kuyt and voronin to break arsenal conter attack, and that worked well till the lasts minutes when voronin was substituted with benayoun and mascherano got injured.
YES I DID WATCH THE GAME AGAINST PORTO AND YES WE WERE SHIT , BUT WHATS THE USE OF PLAYING KUYT AND VORONIN OUT OF POSITION ? THEY BOTH PLAYED ABSOLUTE CRAP AGAINST ARSENAL THEY WERE SO BAD IT WAS UNTRUE. HAD WE PLAYED BANELL AND BEENYOUN AT LEAST WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING AN ATTACKING GAME, WHEN WE TOOK THE GAME TO ARSENAL THERE DEFENCE DIDNT LOOK AS GOOD AS ITS BEEN MADE OUT TO BE.YOU KNOW THAT I WAS A FAN OF KUYTS BUT YOU HAVE WON ME OVER I NOW THINK HE SHOULD BE SOLD, I ALSO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU ARE A FAN OF VORONIN PERHAPS YOU NEED TO BE WON OVER BY ME BECAUSE HE IS EVAN WORSE.I CAN NOW SEE WHY HE COST US NOTHING .
you have answerd your own question. we were at home, we are l,pool not just anyone, we should be attacking teams and winning, they should be stoping us play not the otherway round. be honest arsenal play the way we should. pass and move like we use to.kuyt and vorinin did nothink in that game, would arsenal.play them no no top team would. at porto we played shite too but then we were the away team. i know you are only trying to protect rafa fair enough, but for me he has got to the end of the season and if things donot improve i want him out. if they do well fair enough..
THE GAME AGAINST CARDIFF GIVES TINKERMAN A GLORIOUS OPPORTUNITY TO TINKER LIKE NEVER BEFORE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM PLAY DARBY AT FULL BACK HOBBS ALONGSIDE CARRAGHER SPEARING HAS BEEN GETTING GOOD REPORTS AND LINDFIELD MIGHT GET A CHANCE TO COME ON UP FRONT. KEWELL IS BACK FROM INJURY AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE LUCAS IN MIDFIELD , AND LETS SEE HOW BABELL AND CROUCH GO UP FRONT. WOW I AM BEGINNING TO THINK LIKE RAFA BENITEZ.
Submitted by Criticalmind on Wed, 2007-10-31 11:08.
On that thing i agree with you, Rafa has till the end of the season to prove his worth or shown exit door as soon, if he seems to be out of idea.
But still, i'd say with babel and benayoun we would have had lost heavily, i don't like defending Rafa coz his plans don't work all the time, and he has started to see that he also.. but we can play with babel and benayoun only after our passes gets better, and none of us knows whats the situation on the training ground, how can we say for sure they are in their best form for the moment, and that they would have been superhero against arsenal???
How much everybody was criticising rafa when he substituted S.Gerrard against everton, but did anyone noticed how much better he has got since he came to know that he is not irreplacable?????
Lucas did a great work in construction, had he made an error, everybody would have started criticising him from his very first match.
We need to be realistic at times.. we have lots of injuries, we need to manage with what we've got till then.
THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PLAY OUR WAY OUT OF THIS SLUMP IN FORM IS TO PLAY OUR BEST TEAM WEEK IN WEEK OUT. OK AT PRESENT THAT CANNOT HAPPEN WITH TORRES ALONSO AND AGGER OUT INJURED. BUT WHEN IS RAFA GOING TO UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE STRATEGY PLAY YOUR BEST TEAM, GET SOME POINTS ON THE BOARD THEN MAKE AN ODD CHANGE ( NOT 3 - 4 PLAYERS EVERY GAME.WHY OH WHY HAS HE GOT TO KEEP TINKERING WITH THE TEAM.
WE HAVE SORELY MISSED DANIEL AGGER , HE IS A COOL CUSTOMER AND ALLTHOUGH SAMI IS TRYING HIS BEST AGGER IS PURE CLASS. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHEN HE IS EXPECTED TO RETURN ?
Not sure exactly but steve finnan and lfc website stating it will be very soon, sooner than the 2-3wks of torres, so reading between the lines on the website i think were looking at 1-2wks eddie maybe just over, so maybe back for the fulham game, which means he is out for cardiff,besiktas,blackburn, maybe fulham, but if going to plan back for newcastle, thank christ. Torres is our for all those above plus porto and newcastle which is bad, we need wins in all champs league games and he is only back for the away marsaille game,
The question Liverpool fans have to ask this summer is whether Benitez's negative defence orientated football is good enough for Liverpool.
Real Madrid won the league and sacked Capello because they were too big and important to accept dour football. Chelsea decided the same thing and Mourinho's ugly football was sacked.
Benitez is into his 4th season of building a Liverpool team. Many people were amazed at how poor we were against Arsenal passing the ball. That's because Benitez spends most his time making the team concentrate on defensive duties rather than what to do with the ball. Xabi Alonso was a beautiful passer of the ball when he arrived. Benitez has made him into just another machine who tackles and keeps the shape of the team.
We lack flair and imagination because our manager lacks flair and imagination. Even if he was in charge of that Arsenal teal within a few mpnths they would lose their style because Rafa would do nothing but defensive work in training. The gulf was massive last Sunday and will remain massive while we have such a defensive obsessed manager.
Chelsea won 6-0 against Man City, a result Mourinho would not have got because he too is obsessed with negativity. Now the Chelsea team are ammowed to play football instead of being treated like machines they will improve. So will our players if Benitez is sacked THIS SUMMER. He gets his best results against big Europen teams when he can defend for most of the macth as he loves to do. When we have to go and beat teams you see Benitez hasn't a clue how to create a team with style and flair.
Marcello Lippi had a brilliant Juve team in the mid 90s that played great football ad won titles. He's the man Liverpool FC need this summer. Quaresma, Owen; Woodgate, Bridge and Anelka are players we need.
OWEN, BRIDGE,WOODGATE will spend most of there time in the treatment room.Also ,are they really better than TORRES,RIISE & AGGER/CARRA?I agree with you about QUARESMA .I wish we could sign him today.
The players you mentioned are no better than what we have, bridge and woodgate had great potential and are not worth the risk at this stage with their injuries, Owen is and i would be doing everthing behind the scenes to steal him back, quaresma is obvious choice but would he come, i said b4 only if he stops diving, wants to play in winter cold months and isnt going to act like a premadonna.
your comments about benitez are well thought and if honest i dont like posts claiming for the bosses head, but i do accept critisisum and you do have some valid points, Alonso is one of my favs and i disapointed in him playing to negative, but i still dont think everything is greener on the other side, we do play counter attacking footy, but rafa has said this down to not having the players, well this season he has no excuse so we will see if we go for it. we put 6 past derby remember and 4-2 in cup against reading, so we enjoy our footy to when we have all our guys back.
IT WAS GOOD TO SEE HARRY KEWELL BACK PLAYING AGAIN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM GO TILL THE END OF THE YEAR INJURY FREE, HE IS A SUPERB CROSSER OF THE BALL AND OFFERS US A GOOD ATTACKING OPTION. GOOD TO SEE HOBBS ( WHO PLAYED WELL ) AND EL ZHAR GET A GAME WHAT A GREAT GOAL. ALLTHOUGH TO MUCH CANT BE READ INTO THESE GAMES IT DOES GIVE THESE YOUNGER PLAYERS A CHANCE TO SHOW THERE WORTH. I LIKE THE LOOK OF LEIVA, AND RECKON HE WILL BREAK INTO THIS TEAM NEXT SEASON BIG TIME.
i heard l,pool are intrested in signing ramos, from real madrid. i am not really afan of his gives far too many free kicks away. he is not bad going forward thoe. as we do need a centrehalf he is in rafas sights.
i've seen him play in the la liga i think he is a gifted defender who can pass ,score and surely he is better than a couple of aged players we have at the moment,mind u hobbs looks a very good player so he must get a chance 2 prove himself b4 jan transfer window opens .it was good 2 c couple of of the young ones playing !but why was benni not started with last nite cause gerrard could of preserved energy for game v blackburn
first u was saying b4 that kewell is a waste of space at liverpool now ur saying he's a good crosser of the ball and gives us an extra attacking option i dont know about u eddie he's crap he spends most of his time on the treatment table and still get his wages he needs 2 be shipped out in the transfer window along with the other crap!
SOME TYPE OF RESULT AT BLACKBURN IS ALL IMPORTANT, BLACKBURN ARE FLYING HAVING WON THERE LAST 7 GAMES , AND WITH MAN U PLAYING ARSENAL ONE OR BOTH WILL DROP POINTS, A WIN AT EWOOD PARK IS A BIG ASK BUT COULD BE A REAL CONFIDENCE BOOSTER. WE WILL NEED TO BE AT OUR BEST AND RAFA NEEDS TO PLAY THE BEST PLAYERS AVAILABLE NO PLAYING RUBBISH IN THIS GAME. I PREDICT A 1-1 DRAW WHICH WOULD BE A VERY GOOD RESULT.
Eddie!! For heaven's sake, get ur spelling rite!! I'm still waitin to see Kuty n Ageer or sumtin..
Anyways, how the hell is a 1-1 draw against Blackburn gud huh? We cannot afford to play shite n scrap away wit draws like tat!! total negativity!!
We have wat it takes to beat teams but i jus dun understand why its not happenin.. we shud try this team against Blackburn;
Reina
Arbeloa Finnan Carragher Riise
Babel Gerrard Mascherano Benayoun
Crouch Kuyt(or Voronin)
and i'm sure we'll see sum results.
but, our champ Rafa mite do dis;
Reina
Finnan Carragher Hyypia Arbeloa
Benayoun Gerrard Mascherano Kewell
Kuyt Voronin
(where does Riise come in)
And come January, i do hope we sell sum players n get Quaresma.. i've seen his games wit Porto n he ALWIZ has sumtin to do wit EVERY positive move.. I just wish Rafa made a move for Nani wen he cud!!
Submitted by Criticalmind on Fri, 2007-11-02 09:55.
They were completely useless against blackburn last year, kuyt missed so many occasion, did you noticed any change in him, or see that he will score?? I don't see such a case.
I did not watched the Cardiff game, but as all fans were asking, Babel was played upfront, where are the gtoals from babel?? Did he played well as a striker, do u guys see the goals coming out of him soon if he continues as a striker?
Submitted by Criticalmind on Sun, 2007-11-04 21:40.
I did said if Benitez play Kuyt upfront there will be no goals..he is SHIT as a striker, ompletely useless upfront and misses so many occasion, i still regret the 10 million benitez paid for him. Benitez is putting too much confidence in him like was the case with Crouch in his first season, and am afraid we may see goals from kuyt only after5-6 months coz he is worst than Crouch, and like that season, we may end up once again 5th or 6th in the league.
As for Crouch, as i was saying last year, we need to change the 19 other teams of the league and replace all of them with wigan or likes of toulouse to see Crouch start scoring.
At home we play defence, away we play defence...will the team ever looked like one which want to win things??? I don't want rafa out till the season finish, but i do want him to get a heart attack like houlier so that we can see some new things in liverpool.
RAFA HAS NOW COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT CROUCH IS AN IMPACT PLAYER , WHICH MEANS HE MAY ONLY BE UDED IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF A GAME. WHAT DOES THAT MAKE KUYT, VORONIN AND SISSOKO THEN UNIMPACT PLAYERS? WHO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR A FULL 90 MINUTES EXCEPT RUN AROUND.BENITEZ HAS LOST THE PLOT.
WE MUST GET RID OF THE TINKERMAN, HE HAS KILLED OUR TEAM WITH HIS NEGATIVE TACTICS AND CONSTANT CHANGES. HE HASNT GOT A CLUE, HE CONTINUES TO PICK KUYT UP FRONT ( A PLAYER WHO CANT SCORE ) AND SISSOKO IN MIDFIELD ( A PLAYER WHO CANT PASS OR SCORE ) AND OUR OVERALL PLAY IS FAR TOO DEFENSIVE. WE HAVNT GOT A HOPE OF WINNING THE PREMIER AND LOOK TO BE ON OUR WAY OUT OF EUROPE. WE ARE CURRENTLY LYING 7TH IN THE LEAGUE AND MAY WELL STRUGGLE TO QUALIFY FOR NEXT YEARS CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. NONE OF THE YOUNGSTERS HE HAS BOUGHT ( 20 IN ALL ) OR ANY OF THE YOUTH TEAM THAT WON THE YOUTH CUP TWO YEARS IN A ROW ARE COMING THROUGH. HE HAS SPENT 40M ON PLAYERS DURING THE CLOSE SEASON YET LEAVES ONE OF THEM THAT COST 12M BABELL ON THE BENCH, AND DOESNT GIVE ANOTHER WHO COST 7M LEIVVA A GAME AT ALL. WE ARNT GOING FORWARD AS A TEAM WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS, OUR AMERICAN OWNERS WOULD BE OFF THERE TROLLEYS TO GIVE THIS INCOMPETANT ANY FURTHER TRANSFER MONEY. WE NEED TO GET RID OF HIM NOW , I HAVE SAID ON PREVIOUS POSTS WE SHOULD GIVE HIM TO THE END OF THE SEASON, BUT I FOR ONE HAVE SEEN ENOUGH RUBBISH, I THINK WE SHOULD SHOW HIM THE EXIT DOOR NOW BEFORE HE F*CKS THINGS UP ANYMORE.
I CANNOT SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A WIN AGAINST BESIKAS, OUR HOME FORM HAS BEEN POOR, BUT IF WE ARE TO REMAIN IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THEN WE HAVE GOT TO WIN THE NEXT TWO HOME GAMES. MARSEILLE COULD DO US A FAVOUR BY BEATING PORTO AS WELL. I HOPE THE TINKERMAN PLAYS AN ATTACKING LINE UP IT'S NO USE US DEFENDING IN THIS GAME WE HAVE TO WIN. I WOULD START WITH CROUCH UP FRONT ALONGSIDE BABELL , I WOULD ALSO START KEWELL AND LEIVVA. MY TEAM TO BEAT BESIKAS AND BEAT THEM WELL WOULD BE REINNA FINNAN CARRAGHER HYPIA RIISE BENNYOUN GERRARD LEIVVA KEWELL
CROUCH BABELL ASUMING THE TINKERMAN PLAYS AN ATTACKING LINE UP I SEE US WINNING 3-0. I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT HE DOESNT PLAY KUYT VORRONIN OR SISSOKO.IF WE FAIL TO WIN THIS GAME THEN THE RAFA OUT CAMPAIGN MUST START IN EARNEST.
yeah i noe i mentioned kuyt.. but heck, we've no choice.. everyone else is injured.. i HATE kuyt! probably cud take a gamble wit El Zhar.. Heard dis dude Paul Anderson's kickin ass too..
Submitted by liverpoolrox on Fri, 2007-11-02 09:51.
we now need nothing but all 3 pts against blackburn so that we can close the gap between arsenal and manure. also we need crouch 2 play. he may score the match winner in that game.
With savage and santa cruz out with injuries, we must take advantage, and 3pts is the only thing, they got danger men in mccarthy and bently who playing well this season. They also picked up good results against top teams, spurs/chelsea/arsenal and managed to beat brum city and pompey, which we couldnt so on form they should be looking to beat us. But we must go all guns blazing, its no good giving them the confidence to lauch a champs league campaign we are suffering enough with man citys charge this season. We must start to show the others who we are. They think we are weak and vulnerable at the moment so time to reasert our position on the league standings.
Reina, finnan, riise, carra, hypia
gerrard, mascha, leiva, kewell
crouch, babel.
Reason i go with kewell is he is he has a point to prove, and would like to see, pace with babel and height with crouch up front, see if that compo works, babel drifts wide and kewell likes to cut in so could work well, plus those two are interchangeable.
I AGREE 100% WITH YOUR TEAM SELECTION CRITICALMIND , AS IVE ALLREADY SAID BLACKBURN AWAY WILL NOT BE AN EASY GAME, THEY HAVE WON 7 ON THE BOUNCE AND HAVE HAD SOME VERY GOOD RESULTS . SO WE NEED OUR BEST TEAM UT AND THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE SELECTED IS. WE DONT WANT KUYT OR VORONIN BECAUSE THEY DONT SCORE GOALS, WE DONT NEED SISSOKO BECAUSE HE GIVES THE BALL AWAY TO MUCH, THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE SELECTED HAS A SOLID FEEL ABOUT IT IT ALSO HAS A BIT OF FLAIR IN LEIVA KEWELL AND BABELL. IF THE TINKERMAN SELECTS THIS TEAM WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE TO SECURE ALL THREE POINTS.
Submitted by Criticalmind on Fri, 2007-11-02 16:14.
i have not posted any team around mate..but i agree with the team that somebody has proposed around here, without kuyt, better see some goals than just cross country or olympic race on the fields :))
babel did not play bad agaist cardiff, at least he went for goal, and did.t keep passing back, he done ok, i would not play kuyt agaist blacburn, but i think rafa will, benny should play i belive riise has got money problems with his agent suining him plus outstanding charges in norway 2 mil it was reported. no wonder he is not playing well. looks like he is going bankrupt maybey that is why he wants to move ie transfer cut if rafa sells him he needs the money. i wont be going tomorrow but i watch the match live on sentana tv ., good luck lads lets hope we play well and win..
I think Eddie it would be pointless to sack him now and ruin our season completely. Most people with a brain can see our shite strikers and negative play won't beat Ferguson and co.. to the Premier league title but he will get til June to prove us wrong.
Rafa has only been top for ONE week in 3 and a bit seasons so it's very obvious he's doing something very wrong. Even Sven Erickson seems to know English football much better than Rafa.
If Benitez doesn't buy at least one quality striker at Xmas then the team won't get near the league title qnd Rafa should be sacked in June.
If the team were playing good football every week and missing chances we would all forgive a lot quicker. But shite football and shite strikers like the REJECT Dirk Kuyt will cost Benitez his job.
My only concern is we'll hear the same shite we heard in Houllier's 4th year about more time. When you're doing something wrong like Benitez always does in the Premier league then time doesn't matter. Like Houllier, Benitez is too far up his own arse to accept Kuyt and Veronin and Crouch, his signings; aren't nearly good enough for Liverpool to win a title.
All the while class players like Owen and Analka rot away at shite clubs like Bolton and Newcastle because Benitez is a negative DOUR moron. 4 years is long enough to build the team you want. Benitez has built a team devoid of imagination which only come alive when it's backs to the wall stuff. The same negqtive horseshit as Houllier and the type of football Shankly aand Paisley would have despised.
Marcello Lippi is someone Ferguson fears. The Italian has won everything at club level and even the World Cup for Italy. He is the best manager we could dream of to rival Ferguson. We need Marcelo Lippi this June and Liverpool will then get back to the level we belong at.
IF WE DONT SACK RAFA OUR SEASON MAY END UP IN RUINS ANYWAY. WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF QUALIFYING FOR THE LATTER STAGES OF THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ? - SLIM , WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF WINNING THE PREMIER ?WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF NOT ENDING UP IN THE TOP FOUR ? 50/50, SO TO SAY SACKING THE TINKERMAN NOW COULD RUIN OUR SEASON IS NONSENSE. SACK HIM NOW AND GET A MANAGER IN WHO KNOWS HOW TO MANAGE. THEN OUR SEASON MAY GET ON TRACK, LETS FACE IT EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE SO FAR THIS SEASON HAS BEEN A DISSAPOINTMENT, THE BLAME FOR THIS STOPS FIRMLY AT THE MANAGERS DOOR.
steady on mate, we are all going mad with rafa at the moment but the answer is to wait. even you when you have calmed down. have said it. to bring someone in now would mean a big shake up and i donot think would help us we all need to be sensiable and wait till next season when a man is sinking let him do not push him for there can be no excuse when he fails. what ever rafas faults he should be given till the end of the season he gave us many good moments we can,t forget istanbul; wembley, and many games when we were all on a high. so come on eddy lets all give it a rest for a while,
ROUMAN PART OF ME AGREES WITH YOU THE OTHER PART DOESNT, THE CLOWN PRINCE OF TINKER HAS DONE MY HEAD IN. WE ARN'T PLAYING FOOTBALL ANYMORE BUT SOME NEW STYLE OF NONSENSE. IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH WE MIGHT END UP IN A MID TABLE POSITION IN THE LEAGUE, OK WE ARE WITHOUT TORRES AND AGGER WHEN THESE TWO RETURN OUR OVERALL PERFORMANCE SHOULD IMPROVE. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THE TINKERMANS STYLE OF MANAGEMENT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY IN THIS SIDE AND BE ROTATED EVERY OTHER GAME ? HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN HIM PICKING KUYT AHEAD OF CROUCH ?
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO LIVERPOOL AS AN ATTACKING FORCE ?, I LIVE IN LONDON AND TRY TO GET TO AS MANY GAMES AS I CAN BUT I BEGRUDGE PAYING £100 - £150 TO WATCH COMPLETE RUBBISH, ONLY TO HEAR THE CLOWN PRINCE OF TINKER TELL ME THE TEAM HAS PLAYED WELL. WELL I'M SORRY MR BENITEZ THEY HAVNT PLAYED WELL SINCE THE FIRST FEW GAMES OF THE SEASON. WE HAVE A GOOD SQUAD OF PLAYERS ( NOT INCLUDING KUYT OR SISSOKO ) AND SHOULD BE PLAYING MILES BETTER THAN WE ARE , I HONESTLY FEEL A CHANGE OF MANAGER IS NEEDED TO BRING THE BEST OUT OF THIS TEAM BECAUSE THE CURRENT MANAGER DOESNT APPEAR TO KNOW WHAT HIS DOING.
WHAT HAS PETER CROUCH DONE TO UPSET THE TINKERMAN ? LAST SEASONS TOP SCORER CANNOT GET A GAME AT THE MOMENT , MEANWHILE THE CLOWN PRINCE OF TINKER SELECTS KUYT AND VORONIN , WHO COULD;T SCORE IN A BROTHEL. NOW BENITEZ HAS SAID CROUCH IS AN IMPACT PLAYER, MEANING HE MAY WELL ONLY BE OF USE COMING ON AS A SUB. IF I WAS CROUCH I'D BE ASKING FOR A TRANSFER.
Honestly speakin, i wudn't blame even Gerrard if he asks for a tranfer.. Imagine how he feels, wen it alwiz ssems like he's the only one playin football, while the others are playin ballball? The dude's DESPERATE for the league title, n i wont be surprised if he jumps ship to get wat he wants.. Sad..
i know were your comming from mate, like you i have seen great teams, managers, shankly, paisley. fagan, evans, dalglish. but you know like me shankly said son the league is a marathon not a sprint. and he was a man to give a second chance, i am not happy eddie far from it but i will give rafa his last chance. maybey just maybey its a plan to get out of europe so we can win the league. iys a far cry i know ,icannot for the life of me think he is not up to somethink. i hope so ,then in a few months we will all be saying told you so. hang in there mate and see what happens,.
Submitted by Criticalmind on Mon, 2007-11-05 23:56.
we can't just push rafa out of the ship just like that and sink everything like that...Eddie just change his minds like socks, Rafa's seletion has be shit in the last months, but still i don't see us in such a bad position, we are just 6 points adrift the leader.
About the type of play, we can only take an example, last season Assnal was playing great football just like this year..WHAT DID THEY WON???? Did they got the league??? You said it, the league is a marathon not a sprint.
Let Crouch be given a couple of games and you'll see some people back asking why did rafa played such a shit striker, he is certainly no better than kuyt...both of them missed their chances, the proof is there...playing well is not what ounts its goal that matters...Kuyt and Crouch are both rotten eggs, so why blame rafa if he did not had 100 million to buy more quality strikers. Lets give him time till june and see.
Look at Heskey's first two seasons at Anfield; he got 18 and then 23 goals.
Kuyt is along with Morientes and Baros the worst striker I have seen at Anfield for a long time. Cisse would drive you mad but at least in his lunacy you knew he could get goals.
Kuyt is a defender up front, that's ahy Benitez adores him.
Well i dont actually blame Rafa for buying him cos he WAS like the hottest striker in the Dutch league at tat time.. Except he just cudn't bring tat form here..
Chemistry Needed
Unless Rafa finally understands what every other coach of every team in every sport in the world understands, that team chemistry is vital, we won't win a thing. He had to pick a team and stick with it. Let them learn each other's moves and moods. Let them work together, get a confidence in each other and then finally Liverpool will field a great side. But this constant switching, changing and altering lineups is perhaps the dumbest coaching move in history. It won't work. It won't win a thing.
Is it too late?
At the risk of being ridiculed again, I say get rid of the manager. Rafa had more than enough time and money to put together the ultimate dream team and he failed miserably. Most of the players, are great individual technicians but they just don't click as a team and our visionary managers plays them in the wrong position all the time. Never mind how much Babbel is costing us at this point of time, i think Rafa has coast the club and us the fans all the major prizes we could have won this year and many more to come. Criticalmind says" Rafa is not a fool and that he knows what he is doing, I say Criticalmind must live on another planet or he is related to the Benitez's family. It is abundantly obvious, we MUST... MUST... MUST get rid of Benitez he is not a fool, he is a total moron who through some desperate negotiations managed to weasel his way into a job he cant handle, and now he is milking it for what its worth. The man wouldn't be able find his way out of a wet paper bag. The league is full of ambitious and talented managers that will jump to the opportunity; some one like Sven Ericsen who managed to weave his magic at MC with half our resources and produced some respectable results and only in a couple of months or Wegner how achieved the impossible with a team of virtual unknowns. Wake up people... Rafa is a walking disaster and its much worse now with out Pako. I shudder to think as to what is being said within the clubs' walls as we speak. I am sure they are not singing words of praise.
redhot...
i too am frustrated at rafa. but its not yet time for him to go. at the end of the season then i will judge him. critical mind has had alot of critism from me latley but alot of the time he talks sense, you dont like rafa fair enough but he is going nowere yet, so like all of us its a waiting game, i am not happy either , so for me its the end of the season then there will be no excuses....
ROUMEN REDHOT -GIVE RAFA TILL THE END OF THE SEASON
ROUMAN REDHOT, I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD GIVE RAFA UNTIL THE END OF THE SEASON, IF THINGS HAVN'T IMPROVED THEN THE BOARD NEED TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A LONG THINK AS TO WHAT DIRECTION THE CLUB IS GOING IN.AND RAFA WILL BE GIVEN THE BOOT RAFA IS MAKING A HELL OF A LOT OF MISTAKES AT PRESENT, HE IS SO STUBOURN REGARDING ROTATION, HE IS PLAYING PLAYERS OUT OF POSITION, HE SEMS TO ALTER THE SIDE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT. BUT WE ARE STILL UNBEATEN IN THE PREMIER AND ONLY SIX POINTS OFF THE TOP, HAD THAT CLOWN STYLES NOT ROBBED US OF VICTORY AGAINST CHELSEA WE WOULD BE EVEN CLOSER. SACKIING THE MANAGER IN MID SEASON TO MY MIND WONT SERVE ANY PUPOSE. WE AE ONLY A QUARTER OF THE WAY INTO THE SEASON AND RAFA HAS TIME TO TURN HINGS AROUND. LETS WAIT AND SEE WHAT TRANSPIRES.I JUST WISH THE MAN WOULD LISTERN TO SENSE IT IS SO BLOODY OBVIOUS THAT HE'S ROTATION POLOCY IS KILLING THE TEAM, WHY OH WHY CANT HE JUST PICK HIS BEST TEAM , WE THE FANS KNOW WHO SHOULD BE PLAYING. I MUST SAY I'M NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE TINKERMAN AT THE MOMENT, HE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE SACK AND NEEDS TO GET HIS ACT TOGETHER. THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING I CAN SEE US NOT MAKING THE FINAL STAGES OF THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, AND US NOT ENDING IN THE TOP FOUR AND QUALIFYING FOR NEXT YEARS COMPETITION. THAT WOULD BE A DISATER FOR A CLUB LIKE US AND IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN WOULD MEAN RAFA SIGNING HIS OWN DEATH WARRANT.
liverpool
we need to win because we haven't won a game yet or else were burn toast.
rafatation
he's finally killing off the passion stevie g had, i was bemused at taking s/g off v everton he was lucky in that game if we never had lucky pen ,we def need some british ideas in our management team maybe then our form will become more consistant wat worries me is the c/l normally is where we do well to the point of winning it !
europe
may b marseil will loss d last 3 games n liverpool wim all of them.. who knows?? they did it during the 2005 season rite???
WHY SPEND ALL THAT MONEY ON BABELL AND NOT PLAY HIM
WHY ISNT RYAN BABELL GETTING MORE GAMES ? NOT MANY MANAGERS WOULD PAY 12M = 15M TO HAVE THERE PLAYER SITTING ON THE BENCH. I JUST CANT UNDERSTAND RAFA, WE LACK FLAIR PLAYERS AND YET BOTH BABELL AND BENNYOUN ( BOTH WINGERS ) DIDNT PLAY AGAINST ARESENAL YET KUYT AND VORONIN DID AS WINGERS ?
Eddie888...did you watch the shit game against porto???
Had we played Babel and Benayoun against Arsenal, we would not have got a chance to construct and arsenal would have had bagged 4-5 goals from the very beginning like it was against porto when Rafa tried to set up an attacking teams with torres, babel and pennant.
Its clear that Rafa played kuyt and voronin to break arsenal conter attack, and that worked well till the lasts minutes when voronin was substituted with benayoun and mascherano got injured.
CRITICALMIND
YES I DID WATCH THE GAME AGAINST PORTO AND YES WE WERE SHIT , BUT WHATS THE USE OF PLAYING KUYT AND VORONIN OUT OF POSITION ? THEY BOTH PLAYED ABSOLUTE CRAP AGAINST ARSENAL THEY WERE SO BAD IT WAS UNTRUE. HAD WE PLAYED BANELL AND BEENYOUN AT LEAST WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING AN ATTACKING GAME, WHEN WE TOOK THE GAME TO ARSENAL THERE DEFENCE DIDNT LOOK AS GOOD AS ITS BEEN MADE OUT TO BE.YOU KNOW THAT I WAS A FAN OF KUYTS BUT YOU HAVE WON ME OVER I NOW THINK HE SHOULD BE SOLD, I ALSO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU ARE A FAN OF VORONIN PERHAPS YOU NEED TO BE WON OVER BY ME BECAUSE HE IS EVAN WORSE.I CAN NOW SEE WHY HE COST US NOTHING .
criticalmind...
you have answerd your own question. we were at home, we are l,pool not just anyone, we should be attacking teams and winning, they should be stoping us play not the otherway round. be honest arsenal play the way we should. pass and move like we use to.kuyt and vorinin did nothink in that game, would arsenal.play them no no top team would. at porto we played shite too but then we were the away team. i know you are only trying to protect rafa fair enough, but for me he has got to the end of the season and if things donot improve i want him out. if they do well fair enough..
TEAM TO PLAY CARDIFF
THE GAME AGAINST CARDIFF GIVES TINKERMAN A GLORIOUS OPPORTUNITY TO TINKER LIKE NEVER BEFORE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM PLAY DARBY AT FULL BACK HOBBS ALONGSIDE CARRAGHER SPEARING HAS BEEN GETTING GOOD REPORTS AND LINDFIELD MIGHT GET A CHANCE TO COME ON UP FRONT. KEWELL IS BACK FROM INJURY AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE LUCAS IN MIDFIELD , AND LETS SEE HOW BABELL AND CROUCH GO UP FRONT. WOW I AM BEGINNING TO THINK LIKE RAFA BENITEZ.
Till the end of the season..
On that thing i agree with you, Rafa has till the end of the season to prove his worth or shown exit door as soon, if he seems to be out of idea.
But still, i'd say with babel and benayoun we would have had lost heavily, i don't like defending Rafa coz his plans don't work all the time, and he has started to see that he also.. but we can play with babel and benayoun only after our passes gets better, and none of us knows whats the situation on the training ground, how can we say for sure they are in their best form for the moment, and that they would have been superhero against arsenal???
How much everybody was criticising rafa when he substituted S.Gerrard against everton, but did anyone noticed how much better he has got since he came to know that he is not irreplacable?????
Lucas did a great work in construction, had he made an error, everybody would have started criticising him from his very first match.
We need to be realistic at times.. we have lots of injuries, we need to manage with what we've got till then.
WE SHOULD STICK WITH OUR BEST SIDE
THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PLAY OUR WAY OUT OF THIS SLUMP IN FORM IS TO PLAY OUR BEST TEAM WEEK IN WEEK OUT. OK AT PRESENT THAT CANNOT HAPPEN WITH TORRES ALONSO AND AGGER OUT INJURED. BUT WHEN IS RAFA GOING TO UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE STRATEGY PLAY YOUR BEST TEAM, GET SOME POINTS ON THE BOARD THEN MAKE AN ODD CHANGE ( NOT 3 - 4 PLAYERS EVERY GAME.WHY OH WHY HAS HE GOT TO KEEP TINKERING WITH THE TEAM.
HOW CLOSE IS AGGER TO A RETURN ?
WE HAVE SORELY MISSED DANIEL AGGER , HE IS A COOL CUSTOMER AND ALLTHOUGH SAMI IS TRYING HIS BEST AGGER IS PURE CLASS. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHEN HE IS EXPECTED TO RETURN ?
agger returm EDDIE
Not sure exactly but steve finnan and lfc website stating it will be very soon, sooner than the 2-3wks of torres, so reading between the lines on the website i think were looking at 1-2wks eddie maybe just over, so maybe back for the fulham game, which means he is out for cardiff,besiktas,blackburn, maybe fulham, but if going to plan back for newcastle, thank christ. Torres is our for all those above plus porto and newcastle which is bad, we need wins in all champs league games and he is only back for the away marsaille game,
Is it good enough for Liverpool FC
The question Liverpool fans have to ask this summer is whether Benitez's negative defence orientated football is good enough for Liverpool.
Real Madrid won the league and sacked Capello because they were too big and important to accept dour football. Chelsea decided the same thing and Mourinho's ugly football was sacked.
Benitez is into his 4th season of building a Liverpool team. Many people were amazed at how poor we were against Arsenal passing the ball. That's because Benitez spends most his time making the team concentrate on defensive duties rather than what to do with the ball. Xabi Alonso was a beautiful passer of the ball when he arrived. Benitez has made him into just another machine who tackles and keeps the shape of the team.
We lack flair and imagination because our manager lacks flair and imagination. Even if he was in charge of that Arsenal teal within a few mpnths they would lose their style because Rafa would do nothing but defensive work in training. The gulf was massive last Sunday and will remain massive while we have such a defensive obsessed manager.
Chelsea won 6-0 against Man City, a result Mourinho would not have got because he too is obsessed with negativity. Now the Chelsea team are ammowed to play football instead of being treated like machines they will improve. So will our players if Benitez is sacked THIS SUMMER. He gets his best results against big Europen teams when he can defend for most of the macth as he loves to do. When we have to go and beat teams you see Benitez hasn't a clue how to create a team with style and flair.
Marcello Lippi had a brilliant Juve team in the mid 90s that played great football ad won titles. He's the man Liverpool FC need this summer. Quaresma, Owen; Woodgate, Bridge and Anelka are players we need.
Are we the E.R.
OWEN, BRIDGE,WOODGATE will spend most of there time in the treatment room.Also ,are they really better than TORRES,RIISE & AGGER/CARRA?I agree with you about QUARESMA .I wish we could sign him today.
Cant Agree
The players you mentioned are no better than what we have, bridge and woodgate had great potential and are not worth the risk at this stage with their injuries, Owen is and i would be doing everthing behind the scenes to steal him back, quaresma is obvious choice but would he come, i said b4 only if he stops diving, wants to play in winter cold months and isnt going to act like a premadonna.
your comments about benitez are well thought and if honest i dont like posts claiming for the bosses head, but i do accept critisisum and you do have some valid points, Alonso is one of my favs and i disapointed in him playing to negative, but i still dont think everything is greener on the other side, we do play counter attacking footy, but rafa has said this down to not having the players, well this season he has no excuse so we will see if we go for it. we put 6 past derby remember and 4-2 in cup against reading, so we enjoy our footy to when we have all our guys back.
GOOD TO SEE KEWELL BACK PLAYING AGAIN
IT WAS GOOD TO SEE HARRY KEWELL BACK PLAYING AGAIN, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM GO TILL THE END OF THE YEAR INJURY FREE, HE IS A SUPERB CROSSER OF THE BALL AND OFFERS US A GOOD ATTACKING OPTION. GOOD TO SEE HOBBS ( WHO PLAYED WELL ) AND EL ZHAR GET A GAME WHAT A GREAT GOAL. ALLTHOUGH TO MUCH CANT BE READ INTO THESE GAMES IT DOES GIVE THESE YOUNGER PLAYERS A CHANCE TO SHOW THERE WORTH. I LIKE THE LOOK OF LEIVA, AND RECKON HE WILL BREAK INTO THIS TEAM NEXT SEASON BIG TIME.
n/a
s ramos...
i heard l,pool are intrested in signing ramos, from real madrid. i am not really afan of his gives far too many free kicks away. he is not bad going forward thoe. as we do need a centrehalf he is in rafas sights.
Rouman my friend
S Ramos is out of our league.He is a great RB thb,but way to expensive for our liking.
rouman
i've seen him play in the la liga i think he is a gifted defender who can pass ,score and surely he is better than a couple of aged players we have at the moment,mind u hobbs looks a very good player so he must get a chance 2 prove himself b4 jan transfer window opens .it was good 2 c couple of of the young ones playing !but why was benni not started with last nite cause gerrard could of preserved energy for game v blackburn
make your mind up eddie
first u was saying b4 that kewell is a waste of space at liverpool now ur saying he's a good crosser of the ball and gives us an extra attacking option i dont know about u eddie he's crap he spends most of his time on the treatment table and still get his wages he needs 2 be shipped out in the transfer window along with the other crap!
A RESILT AT BLACKBURN ALL IMPORTANT
SOME TYPE OF RESULT AT BLACKBURN IS ALL IMPORTANT, BLACKBURN ARE FLYING HAVING WON THERE LAST 7 GAMES , AND WITH MAN U PLAYING ARSENAL ONE OR BOTH WILL DROP POINTS, A WIN AT EWOOD PARK IS A BIG ASK BUT COULD BE A REAL CONFIDENCE BOOSTER. WE WILL NEED TO BE AT OUR BEST AND RAFA NEEDS TO PLAY THE BEST PLAYERS AVAILABLE NO PLAYING RUBBISH IN THIS GAME. I PREDICT A 1-1 DRAW WHICH WOULD BE A VERY GOOD RESULT.
eddie!!
Eddie!! For heaven's sake, get ur spelling rite!! I'm still waitin to see Kuty n Ageer or sumtin..
Anyways, how the hell is a 1-1 draw against Blackburn gud huh? We cannot afford to play shite n scrap away wit draws like tat!! total negativity!!
We have wat it takes to beat teams but i jus dun understand why its not happenin.. we shud try this team against Blackburn;
Reina
Arbeloa Finnan Carragher Riise
Babel Gerrard Mascherano Benayoun
Crouch Kuyt(or Voronin)
and i'm sure we'll see sum results.
but, our champ Rafa mite do dis;
Reina
Finnan Carragher Hyypia Arbeloa
Benayoun Gerrard Mascherano Kewell
Kuyt Voronin
(where does Riise come in)
And come January, i do hope we sell sum players n get Quaresma.. i've seen his games wit Porto n he ALWIZ has sumtin to do wit EVERY positive move.. I just wish Rafa made a move for Nani wen he cud!!
Red4life
Kuyt and Crouch against blackburn???
They were completely useless against blackburn last year, kuyt missed so many occasion, did you noticed any change in him, or see that he will score?? I don't see such a case.
I did not watched the Cardiff game, but as all fans were asking, Babel was played upfront, where are the gtoals from babel?? Did he played well as a striker, do u guys see the goals coming out of him soon if he continues as a striker?
I did said so...
I did said if Benitez play Kuyt upfront there will be no goals..he is SHIT as a striker, ompletely useless upfront and misses so many occasion, i still regret the 10 million benitez paid for him. Benitez is putting too much confidence in him like was the case with Crouch in his first season, and am afraid we may see goals from kuyt only after5-6 months coz he is worst than Crouch, and like that season, we may end up once again 5th or 6th in the league.
As for Crouch, as i was saying last year, we need to change the 19 other teams of the league and replace all of them with wigan or likes of toulouse to see Crouch start scoring.
At home we play defence, away we play defence...will the team ever looked like one which want to win things??? I don't want rafa out till the season finish, but i do want him to get a heart attack like houlier so that we can see some new things in liverpool.
ACCORDING TO RAFA CROUCH IS AN IMPACT PLAYER
RAFA HAS NOW COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT CROUCH IS AN IMPACT PLAYER , WHICH MEANS HE MAY ONLY BE UDED IN THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF A GAME. WHAT DOES THAT MAKE KUYT, VORONIN AND SISSOKO THEN UNIMPACT PLAYERS? WHO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR A FULL 90 MINUTES EXCEPT RUN AROUND.BENITEZ HAS LOST THE PLOT.
RAFA MUST GO
WE MUST GET RID OF THE TINKERMAN, HE HAS KILLED OUR TEAM WITH HIS NEGATIVE TACTICS AND CONSTANT CHANGES. HE HASNT GOT A CLUE, HE CONTINUES TO PICK KUYT UP FRONT ( A PLAYER WHO CANT SCORE ) AND SISSOKO IN MIDFIELD ( A PLAYER WHO CANT PASS OR SCORE ) AND OUR OVERALL PLAY IS FAR TOO DEFENSIVE. WE HAVNT GOT A HOPE OF WINNING THE PREMIER AND LOOK TO BE ON OUR WAY OUT OF EUROPE. WE ARE CURRENTLY LYING 7TH IN THE LEAGUE AND MAY WELL STRUGGLE TO QUALIFY FOR NEXT YEARS CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. NONE OF THE YOUNGSTERS HE HAS BOUGHT ( 20 IN ALL ) OR ANY OF THE YOUTH TEAM THAT WON THE YOUTH CUP TWO YEARS IN A ROW ARE COMING THROUGH. HE HAS SPENT 40M ON PLAYERS DURING THE CLOSE SEASON YET LEAVES ONE OF THEM THAT COST 12M BABELL ON THE BENCH, AND DOESNT GIVE ANOTHER WHO COST 7M LEIVVA A GAME AT ALL. WE ARNT GOING FORWARD AS A TEAM WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS, OUR AMERICAN OWNERS WOULD BE OFF THERE TROLLEYS TO GIVE THIS INCOMPETANT ANY FURTHER TRANSFER MONEY. WE NEED TO GET RID OF HIM NOW , I HAVE SAID ON PREVIOUS POSTS WE SHOULD GIVE HIM TO THE END OF THE SEASON, BUT I FOR ONE HAVE SEEN ENOUGH RUBBISH, I THINK WE SHOULD SHOW HIM THE EXIT DOOR NOW BEFORE HE F*CKS THINGS UP ANYMORE.
ANYTHING BUT A WIN AGAINST BESIKAS IS UNTHINKABLE
I CANNOT SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A WIN AGAINST BESIKAS, OUR HOME FORM HAS BEEN POOR, BUT IF WE ARE TO REMAIN IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THEN WE HAVE GOT TO WIN THE NEXT TWO HOME GAMES. MARSEILLE COULD DO US A FAVOUR BY BEATING PORTO AS WELL. I HOPE THE TINKERMAN PLAYS AN ATTACKING LINE UP IT'S NO USE US DEFENDING IN THIS GAME WE HAVE TO WIN. I WOULD START WITH CROUCH UP FRONT ALONGSIDE BABELL , I WOULD ALSO START KEWELL AND LEIVVA. MY TEAM TO BEAT BESIKAS AND BEAT THEM WELL WOULD BE REINNA FINNAN CARRAGHER HYPIA RIISE BENNYOUN GERRARD LEIVVA KEWELL
CROUCH BABELL ASUMING THE TINKERMAN PLAYS AN ATTACKING LINE UP I SEE US WINNING 3-0. I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT HE DOESNT PLAY KUYT VORRONIN OR SISSOKO.IF WE FAIL TO WIN THIS GAME THEN THE RAFA OUT CAMPAIGN MUST START IN EARNEST.
no choice!
yeah i noe i mentioned kuyt.. but heck, we've no choice.. everyone else is injured.. i HATE kuyt! probably cud take a gamble wit El Zhar.. Heard dis dude Paul Anderson's kickin ass too..
Red4life
blackburn
we now need nothing but all 3 pts against blackburn so that we can close the gap between arsenal and manure. also we need crouch 2 play. he may score the match winner in that game.
Yeah and he may miss
Yeah ,and he may miss some sitters no??
Blackburn victory is must, draw no good ed.
With savage and santa cruz out with injuries, we must take advantage, and 3pts is the only thing, they got danger men in mccarthy and bently who playing well this season. They also picked up good results against top teams, spurs/chelsea/arsenal and managed to beat brum city and pompey, which we couldnt so on form they should be looking to beat us. But we must go all guns blazing, its no good giving them the confidence to lauch a champs league campaign we are suffering enough with man citys charge this season. We must start to show the others who we are. They think we are weak and vulnerable at the moment so time to reasert our position on the league standings.
Reina, finnan, riise, carra, hypia
gerrard, mascha, leiva, kewell
crouch, babel.
Reason i go with kewell is he is he has a point to prove, and would like to see, pace with babel and height with crouch up front, see if that compo works, babel drifts wide and kewell likes to cut in so could work well, plus those two are interchangeable.
AGREE WITH YOUR TEAM SELECTION CRITICALMIND
I AGREE 100% WITH YOUR TEAM SELECTION CRITICALMIND , AS IVE ALLREADY SAID BLACKBURN AWAY WILL NOT BE AN EASY GAME, THEY HAVE WON 7 ON THE BOUNCE AND HAVE HAD SOME VERY GOOD RESULTS . SO WE NEED OUR BEST TEAM UT AND THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE SELECTED IS. WE DONT WANT KUYT OR VORONIN BECAUSE THEY DONT SCORE GOALS, WE DONT NEED SISSOKO BECAUSE HE GIVES THE BALL AWAY TO MUCH, THE TEAM THAT YOU HAVE SELECTED HAS A SOLID FEEL ABOUT IT IT ALSO HAS A BIT OF FLAIR IN LEIVA KEWELL AND BABELL. IF THE TINKERMAN SELECTS THIS TEAM WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE TO SECURE ALL THREE POINTS.
EDDIE686
i have not posted any team around mate..but i agree with the team that somebody has proposed around here, without kuyt, better see some goals than just cross country or olympic race on the fields :))
criticalmind....
babel did not play bad agaist cardiff, at least he went for goal, and did.t keep passing back, he done ok, i would not play kuyt agaist blacburn, but i think rafa will, benny should play i belive riise has got money problems with his agent suining him plus outstanding charges in norway 2 mil it was reported. no wonder he is not playing well. looks like he is going bankrupt maybey that is why he wants to move ie transfer cut if rafa sells him he needs the money. i wont be going tomorrow but i watch the match live on sentana tv ., good luck lads lets hope we play well and win..
SORRY CRITICAL MIND TOO MANY BEERS AT LUNCHTIME
SORRY CRITICALMIND TOO MANY BEERS AT LUNCHTIME, IT IS A GOOD TEAM THOUGH.
Rafa has until June
I think Eddie it would be pointless to sack him now and ruin our season completely. Most people with a brain can see our shite strikers and negative play won't beat Ferguson and co.. to the Premier league title but he will get til June to prove us wrong.
Rafa has only been top for ONE week in 3 and a bit seasons so it's very obvious he's doing something very wrong. Even Sven Erickson seems to know English football much better than Rafa.
If Benitez doesn't buy at least one quality striker at Xmas then the team won't get near the league title qnd Rafa should be sacked in June.
If the team were playing good football every week and missing chances we would all forgive a lot quicker. But shite football and shite strikers like the REJECT Dirk Kuyt will cost Benitez his job.
My only concern is we'll hear the same shite we heard in Houllier's 4th year about more time. When you're doing something wrong like Benitez always does in the Premier league then time doesn't matter. Like Houllier, Benitez is too far up his own arse to accept Kuyt and Veronin and Crouch, his signings; aren't nearly good enough for Liverpool to win a title.
All the while class players like Owen and Analka rot away at shite clubs like Bolton and Newcastle because Benitez is a negative DOUR moron. 4 years is long enough to build the team you want. Benitez has built a team devoid of imagination which only come alive when it's backs to the wall stuff. The same negqtive horseshit as Houllier and the type of football Shankly aand Paisley would have despised.
Marcello Lippi is someone Ferguson fears. The Italian has won everything at club level and even the World Cup for Italy. He is the best manager we could dream of to rival Ferguson. We need Marcelo Lippi this June and Liverpool will then get back to the level we belong at.
WHY WAIT ? SACK HIM NOW
IF WE DONT SACK RAFA OUR SEASON MAY END UP IN RUINS ANYWAY. WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF QUALIFYING FOR THE LATTER STAGES OF THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE ? - SLIM , WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF WINNING THE PREMIER ?WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF NOT ENDING UP IN THE TOP FOUR ? 50/50, SO TO SAY SACKING THE TINKERMAN NOW COULD RUIN OUR SEASON IS NONSENSE. SACK HIM NOW AND GET A MANAGER IN WHO KNOWS HOW TO MANAGE. THEN OUR SEASON MAY GET ON TRACK, LETS FACE IT EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE SO FAR THIS SEASON HAS BEEN A DISSAPOINTMENT, THE BLAME FOR THIS STOPS FIRMLY AT THE MANAGERS DOOR.
eddie888...
steady on mate, we are all going mad with rafa at the moment but the answer is to wait. even you when you have calmed down. have said it. to bring someone in now would mean a big shake up and i donot think would help us we all need to be sensiable and wait till next season when a man is sinking let him do not push him for there can be no excuse when he fails. what ever rafas faults he should be given till the end of the season he gave us many good moments we can,t forget istanbul; wembley, and many games when we were all on a high. so come on eddy lets all give it a rest for a while,
ROUMAN PART OF ME AGREES WITH THE OTHER PART DOESNT
ROUMAN PART OF ME AGREES WITH YOU THE OTHER PART DOESNT, THE CLOWN PRINCE OF TINKER HAS DONE MY HEAD IN. WE ARN'T PLAYING FOOTBALL ANYMORE BUT SOME NEW STYLE OF NONSENSE. IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH WE MIGHT END UP IN A MID TABLE POSITION IN THE LEAGUE, OK WE ARE WITHOUT TORRES AND AGGER WHEN THESE TWO RETURN OUR OVERALL PERFORMANCE SHOULD IMPROVE. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THE TINKERMANS STYLE OF MANAGEMENT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY IN THIS SIDE AND BE ROTATED EVERY OTHER GAME ? HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN HIM PICKING KUYT AHEAD OF CROUCH ?
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO LIVERPOOL AS AN ATTACKING FORCE ?, I LIVE IN LONDON AND TRY TO GET TO AS MANY GAMES AS I CAN BUT I BEGRUDGE PAYING £100 - £150 TO WATCH COMPLETE RUBBISH, ONLY TO HEAR THE CLOWN PRINCE OF TINKER TELL ME THE TEAM HAS PLAYED WELL. WELL I'M SORRY MR BENITEZ THEY HAVNT PLAYED WELL SINCE THE FIRST FEW GAMES OF THE SEASON. WE HAVE A GOOD SQUAD OF PLAYERS ( NOT INCLUDING KUYT OR SISSOKO ) AND SHOULD BE PLAYING MILES BETTER THAN WE ARE , I HONESTLY FEEL A CHANGE OF MANAGER IS NEEDED TO BRING THE BEST OUT OF THIS TEAM BECAUSE THE CURRENT MANAGER DOESNT APPEAR TO KNOW WHAT HIS DOING.
WHAT HAS CROUCH DONE TO UPSET THE TINKERMAN ?
WHAT HAS PETER CROUCH DONE TO UPSET THE TINKERMAN ? LAST SEASONS TOP SCORER CANNOT GET A GAME AT THE MOMENT , MEANWHILE THE CLOWN PRINCE OF TINKER SELECTS KUYT AND VORONIN , WHO COULD;T SCORE IN A BROTHEL. NOW BENITEZ HAS SAID CROUCH IS AN IMPACT PLAYER, MEANING HE MAY WELL ONLY BE OF USE COMING ON AS A SUB. IF I WAS CROUCH I'D BE ASKING FOR A TRANSFER.
Eddie old boy..
Honestly speakin, i wudn't blame even Gerrard if he asks for a tranfer.. Imagine how he feels, wen it alwiz ssems like he's the only one playin football, while the others are playin ballball? The dude's DESPERATE for the league title, n i wont be surprised if he jumps ship to get wat he wants.. Sad..
Red4life
eddie888
i know were your comming from mate, like you i have seen great teams, managers, shankly, paisley. fagan, evans, dalglish. but you know like me shankly said son the league is a marathon not a sprint. and he was a man to give a second chance, i am not happy eddie far from it but i will give rafa his last chance. maybey just maybey its a plan to get out of europe so we can win the league. iys a far cry i know ,icannot for the life of me think he is not up to somethink. i hope so ,then in a few months we will all be saying told you so. hang in there mate and see what happens,.
you are right rouman...
we can't just push rafa out of the ship just like that and sink everything like that...Eddie just change his minds like socks, Rafa's seletion has be shit in the last months, but still i don't see us in such a bad position, we are just 6 points adrift the leader.
About the type of play, we can only take an example, last season Assnal was playing great football just like this year..WHAT DID THEY WON???? Did they got the league??? You said it, the league is a marathon not a sprint.
Let Crouch be given a couple of games and you'll see some people back asking why did rafa played such a shit striker, he is certainly no better than kuyt...both of them missed their chances, the proof is there...playing well is not what ounts its goal that matters...Kuyt and Crouch are both rotten eggs, so why blame rafa if he did not had 100 million to buy more quality strikers. Lets give him time till june and see.
Heskey superior to Kuyt
Look at Heskey's first two seasons at Anfield; he got 18 and then 23 goals.
Kuyt is along with Morientes and Baros the worst striker I have seen at Anfield for a long time. Cisse would drive you mad but at least in his lunacy you knew he could get goals.
Kuyt is a defender up front, that's ahy Benitez adores him.
Kuyt..
Well i dont actually blame Rafa for buying him cos he WAS like the hottest striker in the Dutch league at tat time.. Except he just cudn't bring tat form here..
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