I am hoping like everyone else that we win today. I'm feeling that if we don't win then what is our chance of been a great team what we were last season. The way we played last Wednesday i just hope Rafa was not bothered about other cups and that he is putting all his effort into the next games in the premier league, and realizes that he is making big mistakes in choosing the wrong players for the job. We want our lads to keep defending like they used to not going to sleep especially if we score the first goal. Comon Liverpool let's show Arsenal we can win them, and we are good enough to win the league. Good Luck!
PETER CROUCH SHOWED WHY HE IS SO MUCH MORE OF A GOAL THREEAT THAN KUYT OR VORONIN. IF WE CONTINUE TO PLAY KUYT AND VORONIN UP FRONT WE WILL STRUGGLE TO SCORE BECAUSE NEITHER PLAYR HAS ANY IDEA HOW TO SCORE. CROUCH ON THE OTHER HAND DOES, WETHER HE CAN FORM AN UNDERSTANDING WITH TORRES CAN ONLY BE FOUND OUT BY PLAYING THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER FOR A FEW GAMES.
IT WAS GREAT TO SEE STEVIE G BACK TO HIS BEST TODAY, HE PLAYED LIKE A TRUE CAPTAIN, A GREAT GOAL AND A SUPERB DISPLAY, IF ONLY OTHERS IN THE SIDE PLAYED HALF AS WELL.
eddie888, mate came home from the game, gutted. we were outplayed by a team of players i have never heard off , fabagas yes alabau yes the rest no but they made us look like shit. kuyt was his usal shite vornin was lost, torres was half fit, crouch should have played the whole game,and if rafa had not played a half fit torres babel could have played, yet he still plays kuyt, and vornin. someone said to me after the match what do you think we need. i said arsenal,s coathes. how can rafa sit and watch that crap, eddie we have got no chance winning the league not the way were playing . rafa needs someone to bring him back to realty,
LETS HOPE THE INJURIES TO TORRES MASCHERANO AND ALONSO ARNT AS BAD AS THEY LOOKED. ALL THREE ARE SO IMPORTANT TO OUR TEAM, I THOUGHT ALONSO AND MASCHARANO PLAYED VERY WELL TODAY AGAINST ARSENAL, AND WE NEED THESE PLAYERS IN THE TEAM AS THE REPLACEMENTS ARNT AS GOOD.
ROUMAN I AGREE IT'S A HARD THING TO ACCEPT BUT WE ARE GOING FROM WORSE TO WORSE, WE ARE A DISSJOINTED ROTATED UNCONFIDENT RABBLE. I THINK ITS ALL DOWN HILL FROM HERE , RAFA HASNT GOT A CLUE.
Submitted by Criticalmind on Mon, 2007-10-29 12:23.
EDDIE888... you really need to put some order in what you want, like everybody you were asking for Crouch to be sold and now suddenly he is better player!!!
He got his Chance and like kuyt he did not not scored neither!!
A good striker needs to score to show his worth, and Crouch is certainly not a striker to play in Liverpool, he missed golden opportunities, commits too many fouls and scores only against lowly teams, forget the Arsenal match last year, can you name any game where he gave great performance???? He got his chance against Portsmouth, against Birmingham, against Arsenal..WHERE ARE THE GOALS?????
As for Voronin, i don't say he is the best striker, but at least he is better than Kuyt or Crouch coz he came for free, secondly he showed what he is capable of in the preseason, thirdly he was being played on the wing to stop Fabregas against Arsenal, not as winger or striker. He did some great tackle scaring the lad when he was on the ground.
WHAT ROTATION ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT??? Rafa is no more rotating he is managing with what he has got available, Remember the Porto game, we put an attacking team against another attack minded teamand what was the result???? Was the worst game i've watched, coz there was nobody to stop their attack, and nobody to construct in our team.
Crouch can't run properly, how do u think he would have kept up with the pace of Arsenal???
Its the passes that the players need to improve, compare the passes of Arsenal and that of liverpool, uncomparable, the players need to do some great work on the training ground, forget Pako, this can be improved only by self effort.
I guess if Rafa would have not played Torres, everybody would have wanted his head, but now that he played the lad and got injured, silence!!!
So easy to critisize with the keyboard :)
listen mate crouch, is better than kuyt and vornin. crouch came on and hit the target 3 times vornin an kuyt were poor i was there kuyt could not hit a barn door, as for torres rafa cost us a player because he was never fit from the start he should not have played. and last year crouch scored 3 yes he cant run but he scores or at least hits the target. somethink kuyt cannot do, and arsenal,s kids showed us up nothink to do with anythink you say its arsenals coaching and manager its time you faced the truth,
Submitted by Criticalmind on Mon, 2007-10-29 17:07.
If Crouch is really that good, why has he not scored yet in the League??? He got his chance against Portsmouth, Birmingham, and played half of the match against Arsenal!! Crouch is not Better than Kuyt or Voronin...its the goalsheet that counts not hitting the post!!
Last year he was back after broking his nose, i don't know, what they did with him at that time, but should have had broken his nose again before the match.
As for Kuyt and voronin, it was clear, they had as job to prevent Arsenal attack on the wing..we would have had been demolished by 4-5 goals had rafa not played this tactic...be realistic, even with our best attack torres babel, its hard to stop tha arsenal constructive game.
As for Torres and Alonso getting injured, am pretty sure if they would not have been played, lots of voice here would have said why the hell rafa did not played them... now that he played them and they got injured its still rafa who is at fault.
he has,t scored yet be cause he hardly plays kuyt plays every game whats he done, 2 pens i go to watch l,pool pal you are in the minority noone yhinks crouch is great but noone rates kuyt or vornin your the one who,s wrong kuyt and vornin had a job to do well they did fuck all. what game were you watching. you need a wake up call kuyt, voronin should play in the reserves till they learn to play, rafa should not have played torres he was never fit at the start, you need to go to anfield pal and listen and learn,,,
so right what u said bout vorinin & kuyt but surely babel was ideal for that role and fast counters felt sorry for stevie g he was our only good attacking option v gunners & and crouch looked up 4 it yesturday, but problem being he always seems 2 b in & out of matches also he get's shorter when going 4 headers don't u think ?i think maybe crouch isn't suited 2 the red ways the other 2 muppets certainly ain't
yes babel would have been usefull agaist arsenal , but crouch is,t the greatest player but he is better than kuyt, even vornin at scoring goals, those two with pennant shouyld be out in jan. last year crouch scored 18 goals and was still droped criticalmind does not talk sense we all know crouch is not world class but neither is kuyt. or voronin, infact the last 2 belong in the reserves. he does not like crouch fair enough but he,s mad to even think that they are better than crouch.how many goals have yhey scored and they have played nearly every game.they are shite. all the crap he says about learning to pass tell that 2 arsenals kids no big names we spent mega money on our players arsenal spent peanuts. yet critcalmind says l,pool need to learn to pass. pass my arse if you come to l,pool on big money and you canot pass there is somethink wrong. his glasses are tinted because he is not watching what we are....
CRITICALMIND CROUCH ISNT THAT GREAT AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE HIM SOLD BUT HE IS BETTER THAN KUYT OR VORONIN WHO ARE BOTH PRETTY MUCH USELESS WHEN IT COMES TO SCORING. GET RID OF ALL THREE AND GET SOMEONE IN WHO CAN SCORE.
RE US BEING DEFENSIVE I'M COOL WITH MASCERANO PLAYING A HOLDING MIDFIELD ROLE BECAUSE HE IS A SUPERB PLAYER, IN SOME GAMES YOU NEED TO BE A BIT NEGATIVE AND CATCH THE OPPOSITION ON THE BREAK, HOWEVER IF YOUR GOING TO DO THAT YOU NEED PLAYERS WITH PACE UP FRONT, TORRES HAS THAT PACE AS DOES BABELL, KUYT CROUCH AND VORONIN DONT. IT WAS A SHAME TORRES WASNT FIT AGAINST ARSENAL BECAUSE RAFAS TACTICS MAY HAVE BEEN SPOT ON IF HE HAD BEEN ABLE TO PLAY HIS NORMAL GAME. BUT WHY DIDNT HE BRING BABELL ON FOR VORONIN OR KUYT ( BOTH OF WHOM PLAYED ABSOLUTE RUBBISH YESTERDAY ), OR DOES RAFA SEE A DIFFERENT GAME TO MOST PEOPLE ?
I CANNOT SEE HOW YOU RECKON VORONIN PLAYED WELL.
Its quite simple really.Get Quaresma or mancini for the wings.Get kompany for CB,Get rid of the waste of space twats who wont be top class such as voronin,kuyt and crouch.Bring back owen or anelka or use babel as a striker and bring in an experienced Assistant and all will be well.
Not much to ask now is it lol.
We need the players to wake up and Rafa to stop rotating alot.Its getting silly.
Then and only then will we win the league.Its a shame we arent like the other three where they go out and try and win everything.THATS WHAT THE BLOODY AMBITION SHOULD BE.
TORRES WILL BE OUT FOR 3-4 WEEKS MASCERANO HASNT BROKEN ANYTHING MIGHT MISS A GAME BAD BRUISING, ALONSO THEY WILL KNOW MORE TOMMORROW COULD BE OUT FOR 4 - 6 WEEKS. BAD LUCK AS I'M SURE THE THREE WOULD BE IN MOST PEOPLES STRONGEST LIVERPOOL TEAM.
All 3 are in my top 11 mate. Usually have alonso and stevie in centre but mascherano cut out almost everything against arsenal, he played well considering form lately etc. He caught plenty of people in possession to which shows conviction to keep fighting. Did you notice how many of our players where caught in possession, stevie to, even with the huge man on shouts. I couldnt belive it, that shows a lack of imagination to me and no quick thinking, we should of been alot quicker with the ball on sunday. Dont know how you feel about babel but i still think he is a bit navie and could of been a danger of him losing out against such a team as arsenal. I like him and if he fulfils his promise, what a player, but maybe start playing him more, now, i want to see this lad run riot at defenders
ITS A REAL SHAME THAT WE DON'T HAVE A GOALSCORER COMING THROUGH THE RESERVE / YOUTH RANKS, BECAUSE IF WE DIDD HE WOULD BE FAST TRACKED IN TO THE TEAM. OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM RECENTLY IS SCORING GOAL;S WE SEEM TO MAKE GOOD CHANCES IN EVERY GAME BUT LACK A CUTTING EDGE UP FRONT. TORRES'S INJURY HASNT HELPED NOR RAFAS CONTINUAL ROTATION. WHEN THE TRANSFER WINDOW OPENS WE NEED TO SORT OUT TWO PROBLEM AREAS FIRST A COVERING CENTRE BACK AND AN OUT AND OUT GOALSCORER.LACK OF GOALS WILL COST US DEARLY.
we do have one eccelton i think his name is only 18 and a manc but he is good,p lus a young german who is good too jordy bower he should be on the bench, there.s amoo a fast winger we got from millwall at least rafa give them a try a few mins of a game wont do no harm and they are hungry.
What is all the talk about the January transfer dealings. This is the squad the manager wanted. This is the squad the manager bought. Why blame the players - 2 strikers on the wing - 2 wingers on the bench. Nothing to do with the players - it is all down to the most negative, rotation possessed, subborn minded individual we have ever had as a manager. Absolutely Clueless. Why blame Torres if he is selected when clearly not fit - what must Crouch think - he's 4th choice even when one of them is injured - oh well it's nearly January. Arbeloa comes on and plays centre midfield. We are one point better than Portsmouth and one point worse than Blackburn with a quarter of the season gone. Forget United and Arsenal - yesterday proved we are not in the same class. It makes no difference at all who we sign - the manager is so negative it will never change. 66% of the possession given to the Away side at Anfield. We are just coming in to November - the title race is over, the Champions League needs a miracle, anything can happen on Wednesday when Paella Brain picks his Halloween team. Can we win a domestic cup ? Only if we don't play Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U. There is only one answer and I think the Amercians have sussed him out - hopefully their "end of season review with Rafa" will take place in December. He has to go - not good enough in any area - his reputation stands on 15 crazy minutes in Istanbul.
Are we good enough?
I am hoping like everyone else that we win today. I'm feeling that if we don't win then what is our chance of been a great team what we were last season. The way we played last Wednesday i just hope Rafa was not bothered about other cups and that he is putting all his effort into the next games in the premier league, and realizes that he is making big mistakes in choosing the wrong players for the job. We want our lads to keep defending like they used to not going to sleep especially if we score the first goal. Comon Liverpool let's show Arsenal we can win them, and we are good enough to win the league. Good Luck!
Answer to your q mel9650
Answer to your q mel9650 is simply... NO we are not good enough to win the league im afraid
CROUCH SHOWED WHY HE IS BETTER THAN KUYT AND VORONIN
PETER CROUCH SHOWED WHY HE IS SO MUCH MORE OF A GOAL THREEAT THAN KUYT OR VORONIN. IF WE CONTINUE TO PLAY KUYT AND VORONIN UP FRONT WE WILL STRUGGLE TO SCORE BECAUSE NEITHER PLAYR HAS ANY IDEA HOW TO SCORE. CROUCH ON THE OTHER HAND DOES, WETHER HE CAN FORM AN UNDERSTANDING WITH TORRES CAN ONLY BE FOUND OUT BY PLAYING THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER FOR A FEW GAMES.
STEVIE G LED BY EXAMPLE TODAY
IT WAS GREAT TO SEE STEVIE G BACK TO HIS BEST TODAY, HE PLAYED LIKE A TRUE CAPTAIN, A GREAT GOAL AND A SUPERB DISPLAY, IF ONLY OTHERS IN THE SIDE PLAYED HALF AS WELL.
truth...
eddie888, mate came home from the game, gutted. we were outplayed by a team of players i have never heard off , fabagas yes alabau yes the rest no but they made us look like shit. kuyt was his usal shite vornin was lost, torres was half fit, crouch should have played the whole game,and if rafa had not played a half fit torres babel could have played, yet he still plays kuyt, and vornin. someone said to me after the match what do you think we need. i said arsenal,s coathes. how can rafa sit and watch that crap, eddie we have got no chance winning the league not the way were playing . rafa needs someone to bring him back to realty,
LETS HOPE TORRES ALONSO AND MASCHERANOS INJURIES ARE OK
LETS HOPE THE INJURIES TO TORRES MASCHERANO AND ALONSO ARNT AS BAD AS THEY LOOKED. ALL THREE ARE SO IMPORTANT TO OUR TEAM, I THOUGHT ALONSO AND MASCHARANO PLAYED VERY WELL TODAY AGAINST ARSENAL, AND WE NEED THESE PLAYERS IN THE TEAM AS THE REPLACEMENTS ARNT AS GOOD.
ROUMAN I AGREE
ROUMAN I AGREE IT'S A HARD THING TO ACCEPT BUT WE ARE GOING FROM WORSE TO WORSE, WE ARE A DISSJOINTED ROTATED UNCONFIDENT RABBLE. I THINK ITS ALL DOWN HILL FROM HERE , RAFA HASNT GOT A CLUE.
EDDIE666...Rafa don't have too much options...
EDDIE888... you really need to put some order in what you want, like everybody you were asking for Crouch to be sold and now suddenly he is better player!!!
He got his Chance and like kuyt he did not not scored neither!!
A good striker needs to score to show his worth, and Crouch is certainly not a striker to play in Liverpool, he missed golden opportunities, commits too many fouls and scores only against lowly teams, forget the Arsenal match last year, can you name any game where he gave great performance???? He got his chance against Portsmouth, against Birmingham, against Arsenal..WHERE ARE THE GOALS?????
As for Voronin, i don't say he is the best striker, but at least he is better than Kuyt or Crouch coz he came for free, secondly he showed what he is capable of in the preseason, thirdly he was being played on the wing to stop Fabregas against Arsenal, not as winger or striker. He did some great tackle scaring the lad when he was on the ground.
WHAT ROTATION ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT??? Rafa is no more rotating he is managing with what he has got available, Remember the Porto game, we put an attacking team against another attack minded teamand what was the result???? Was the worst game i've watched, coz there was nobody to stop their attack, and nobody to construct in our team.
Crouch can't run properly, how do u think he would have kept up with the pace of Arsenal???
Its the passes that the players need to improve, compare the passes of Arsenal and that of liverpool, uncomparable, the players need to do some great work on the training ground, forget Pako, this can be improved only by self effort.
I guess if Rafa would have not played Torres, everybody would have wanted his head, but now that he played the lad and got injured, silence!!!
So easy to critisize with the keyboard :)
criticalmind.
listen mate crouch, is better than kuyt and vornin. crouch came on and hit the target 3 times vornin an kuyt were poor i was there kuyt could not hit a barn door, as for torres rafa cost us a player because he was never fit from the start he should not have played. and last year crouch scored 3 yes he cant run but he scores or at least hits the target. somethink kuyt cannot do, and arsenal,s kids showed us up nothink to do with anythink you say its arsenals coaching and manager its time you faced the truth,
Rouman...
If Crouch is really that good, why has he not scored yet in the League??? He got his chance against Portsmouth, Birmingham, and played half of the match against Arsenal!! Crouch is not Better than Kuyt or Voronin...its the goalsheet that counts not hitting the post!!
Last year he was back after broking his nose, i don't know, what they did with him at that time, but should have had broken his nose again before the match.
As for Kuyt and voronin, it was clear, they had as job to prevent Arsenal attack on the wing..we would have had been demolished by 4-5 goals had rafa not played this tactic...be realistic, even with our best attack torres babel, its hard to stop tha arsenal constructive game.
As for Torres and Alonso getting injured, am pretty sure if they would not have been played, lots of voice here would have said why the hell rafa did not played them... now that he played them and they got injured its still rafa who is at fault.
critical mind....
he has,t scored yet be cause he hardly plays kuyt plays every game whats he done, 2 pens i go to watch l,pool pal you are in the minority noone yhinks crouch is great but noone rates kuyt or vornin your the one who,s wrong kuyt and vornin had a job to do well they did fuck all. what game were you watching. you need a wake up call kuyt, voronin should play in the reserves till they learn to play, rafa should not have played torres he was never fit at the start, you need to go to anfield pal and listen and learn,,,
rouman
so right what u said bout vorinin & kuyt but surely babel was ideal for that role and fast counters felt sorry for stevie g he was our only good attacking option v gunners & and crouch looked up 4 it yesturday, but problem being he always seems 2 b in & out of matches also he get's shorter when going 4 headers don't u think ?i think maybe crouch isn't suited 2 the red ways the other 2 muppets certainly ain't
turnilty......
yes babel would have been usefull agaist arsenal , but crouch is,t the greatest player but he is better than kuyt, even vornin at scoring goals, those two with pennant shouyld be out in jan. last year crouch scored 18 goals and was still droped criticalmind does not talk sense we all know crouch is not world class but neither is kuyt. or voronin, infact the last 2 belong in the reserves. he does not like crouch fair enough but he,s mad to even think that they are better than crouch.how many goals have yhey scored and they have played nearly every game.they are shite. all the crap he says about learning to pass tell that 2 arsenals kids no big names we spent mega money on our players arsenal spent peanuts. yet critcalmind says l,pool need to learn to pass. pass my arse if you come to l,pool on big money and you canot pass there is somethink wrong. his glasses are tinted because he is not watching what we are....
CRITICALMIND CROUCH ISNT THAT GREAT BUT HE'S A BETTER OPTION THA
CRITICALMIND CROUCH ISNT THAT GREAT AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE HIM SOLD BUT HE IS BETTER THAN KUYT OR VORONIN WHO ARE BOTH PRETTY MUCH USELESS WHEN IT COMES TO SCORING. GET RID OF ALL THREE AND GET SOMEONE IN WHO CAN SCORE.
RE US BEING DEFENSIVE I'M COOL WITH MASCERANO PLAYING A HOLDING MIDFIELD ROLE BECAUSE HE IS A SUPERB PLAYER, IN SOME GAMES YOU NEED TO BE A BIT NEGATIVE AND CATCH THE OPPOSITION ON THE BREAK, HOWEVER IF YOUR GOING TO DO THAT YOU NEED PLAYERS WITH PACE UP FRONT, TORRES HAS THAT PACE AS DOES BABELL, KUYT CROUCH AND VORONIN DONT. IT WAS A SHAME TORRES WASNT FIT AGAINST ARSENAL BECAUSE RAFAS TACTICS MAY HAVE BEEN SPOT ON IF HE HAD BEEN ABLE TO PLAY HIS NORMAL GAME. BUT WHY DIDNT HE BRING BABELL ON FOR VORONIN OR KUYT ( BOTH OF WHOM PLAYED ABSOLUTE RUBBISH YESTERDAY ), OR DOES RAFA SEE A DIFFERENT GAME TO MOST PEOPLE ?
I CANNOT SEE HOW YOU RECKON VORONIN PLAYED WELL.
Its quite simple really!!
Its quite simple really.Get Quaresma or mancini for the wings.Get kompany for CB,Get rid of the waste of space twats who wont be top class such as voronin,kuyt and crouch.Bring back owen or anelka or use babel as a striker and bring in an experienced Assistant and all will be well.
Not much to ask now is it lol.
We need the players to wake up and Rafa to stop rotating alot.Its getting silly.
Then and only then will we win the league.Its a shame we arent like the other three where they go out and try and win everything.THATS WHAT THE BLOODY AMBITION SHOULD BE.
TORRES OUT FOR 3 -4 WEEKS
TORRES WILL BE OUT FOR 3-4 WEEKS MASCERANO HASNT BROKEN ANYTHING MIGHT MISS A GAME BAD BRUISING, ALONSO THEY WILL KNOW MORE TOMMORROW COULD BE OUT FOR 4 - 6 WEEKS. BAD LUCK AS I'M SURE THE THREE WOULD BE IN MOST PEOPLES STRONGEST LIVERPOOL TEAM.
eddie888 and babel
All 3 are in my top 11 mate. Usually have alonso and stevie in centre but mascherano cut out almost everything against arsenal, he played well considering form lately etc. He caught plenty of people in possession to which shows conviction to keep fighting. Did you notice how many of our players where caught in possession, stevie to, even with the huge man on shouts. I couldnt belive it, that shows a lack of imagination to me and no quick thinking, we should of been alot quicker with the ball on sunday. Dont know how you feel about babel but i still think he is a bit navie and could of been a danger of him losing out against such a team as arsenal. I like him and if he fulfils his promise, what a player, but maybe start playing him more, now, i want to see this lad run riot at defenders
SUCH A SHAME WE DON'T HAVE A GOALSCORER COMING THROUGH THE RESER
ITS A REAL SHAME THAT WE DON'T HAVE A GOALSCORER COMING THROUGH THE RESERVE / YOUTH RANKS, BECAUSE IF WE DIDD HE WOULD BE FAST TRACKED IN TO THE TEAM. OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM RECENTLY IS SCORING GOAL;S WE SEEM TO MAKE GOOD CHANCES IN EVERY GAME BUT LACK A CUTTING EDGE UP FRONT. TORRES'S INJURY HASNT HELPED NOR RAFAS CONTINUAL ROTATION. WHEN THE TRANSFER WINDOW OPENS WE NEED TO SORT OUT TWO PROBLEM AREAS FIRST A COVERING CENTRE BACK AND AN OUT AND OUT GOALSCORER.LACK OF GOALS WILL COST US DEARLY.
eddie888
we do have one eccelton i think his name is only 18 and a manc but he is good,p lus a young german who is good too jordy bower he should be on the bench, there.s amoo a fast winger we got from millwall at least rafa give them a try a few mins of a game wont do no harm and they are hungry.
Transfer Crap
What is all the talk about the January transfer dealings. This is the squad the manager wanted. This is the squad the manager bought. Why blame the players - 2 strikers on the wing - 2 wingers on the bench. Nothing to do with the players - it is all down to the most negative, rotation possessed, subborn minded individual we have ever had as a manager. Absolutely Clueless. Why blame Torres if he is selected when clearly not fit - what must Crouch think - he's 4th choice even when one of them is injured - oh well it's nearly January. Arbeloa comes on and plays centre midfield. We are one point better than Portsmouth and one point worse than Blackburn with a quarter of the season gone. Forget United and Arsenal - yesterday proved we are not in the same class. It makes no difference at all who we sign - the manager is so negative it will never change. 66% of the possession given to the Away side at Anfield. We are just coming in to November - the title race is over, the Champions League needs a miracle, anything can happen on Wednesday when Paella Brain picks his Halloween team. Can we win a domestic cup ? Only if we don't play Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U. There is only one answer and I think the Amercians have sussed him out - hopefully their "end of season review with Rafa" will take place in December. He has to go - not good enough in any area - his reputation stands on 15 crazy minutes in Istanbul.
eddie888
wat about craig lindfield wat i seen of him last year he started 2 impress,he can't do any worse than the muppets we have up front !
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