ISNT IT GOOD TO SEE THE GOALS BEING SHARED AROUND ? WE ARE CREATING A HELL OF A LOT OF CHANCES, HAVING BENNYOUN IN THE TEAM INSTEAD OF PENNANT IS A MAJOR PLUS THE GUY NOT ONLY SCORES GOALS BUT CREATES CHANCES AS WELL. EQUALLY BABELL ALLWAYS LOOKS LIKELY TO SCORE, TORRES WELL THE GUY IS CLASS GERRARD IS ON NINE SO FAR, WE LOOK LIKE SCORING FROM DIFFERENT AREAS UNLIKE LAST SEASON.
THATS ABOUT 20 GOALS IN FOUR GAMES AND WE HAVE ONLY CONCEDED ONE. LETS HOPE THIS RUN CONTINUES FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.AGAINST BOLTON TODAY WE COULD HAVE HAD 7 OR 8 AND IT WAS THE SAME AT NEWCASTLE LAST WEEK , WE ARE PLAYING WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE AND ONE TEAM IS GOING TO GET HAMMERED VERY SHORTLY - LETS HOPE ITS MAN U.
these four need to continue to score. all will reach double figures, but its the champs league and PREM i want the goals in not the cups, beating burnley 19 nil is great for the strikers if they score but means nothing if all they goals come in the smaller comps. League league league league everytime all the time for this season. arsenal are not invincible and we can match and catch them, we have enough belief in ourselves now with torres and babel going forward to finish off teams we would of drawn with last year, and after birmingham and blackburn i reckon the team knows that now, big shout for kewell who is pushing hard to get fit, yes its about time and some would say a waste of money, but he cost us 5 million so not alot, big wages but the lads pushing for a new contract and if he stays fit, gets back somewhere near his best we have a great winger who can create things with the smallest of touches for the front 2. rafa has always liked harry and is showing his faith in playing him now.
You was right about KUYT not scoring against havant & w he is one crap bastard! and that header he had he just headed the fucker in 2 the ground! he's a joke and the worst ever striker 2 wear a LFC shirt rafa needs 2 get him out A.S.A.P crouch is just as bad with the chance he missed when it came off the keeper but kuyt needs 2 go without doubt!!!!!
We played ok 2day but we should of won a lot more convincenly what a great hatrick from benayoun his 2nd hatrick of the season what a player and an even better player is lucas what a strike 2day he has a great future ahead of him at anfield providing rafa plays him a lot more and in the right position the same goes 4 benayoun i know it was part timers but benayoun took his goals well so did lucas very good players.
The way benayoun took 2 of his 3 goals 2day he should play up front he knows how 2 score unlike kuyt! crouch didnt do 2 good either ok he scored but he was offside. we should of had a lot more than 5 goals the defence was all over the place 4 havants 2 goals we are along way off from being a force in the PL changes needs 2 be made a quick!
Thats a bit of good news 4 us on the walkon website it states that gillett resfused 2 put his signature on the statement 4 the refinance of LFC according 2 reports gilletts son left his office and he doesnt have any plans 2 return and gillett also thinks holding on 2 LFC isnt in there best interest either that what he was quoted as saying...
reading in the observer 2day that DIC are still interested in trying 2 buy LFC i hope this is all true coz we need the financial clout of DIC not the LOANERS! all the money G&H has got they still took out a loan 2 buy the club im still hoping that DIC will buy them out!
Kev j if you listern to Tom Hick's interview on the BBC website , he blames all this conjecture on the press, and states that him and Gillet don't plan on selling to anyone. He also states that Rafa will remain the Manager at Anfield for the duration of his contract.
That's the danger of owners who know nothing about football; they'll be guided by the what they read in newspapers because they don't don't understand football enough to see what's happening on the field.
Liverpool won't win the title with Benitez so if he remains in charge it's only cup games we will win.
I thought Havant and Waterlooville did the non league proud in there performance at Anfield yesterday.
We were very poor in the first half and it was all down to Havents positive approach to the game. It was just as well we lifted our game in the second half, Havant did themselves proud, CONGRATULATIONS.
Yossi Bennyoun is proving to be a good player, and certainly has an eye for goal . 2 hat tricks this season and some very good perfomances , I wasnt over the moon when he was initially signed but I have been suprised to see him do so well , KEEP IT UP YOSSI - WELL DONE
Benayoun has done well alright and is clearly better than Pennant, who never looks like scoring a goal.
But I don't think Benayoun is good enough week in week out on the right wing if we want to win a title. He hasn't scored many in the league and his two hatricks were against part-timers and a Turkish team who were pathetic on the night at Anfield.
So well done to Yossi yesterday but I still think he's only of real use as a good squad player.
Bottom Group - Distinctly Average Players Who Will Never Win You The Title
Pennant, Kuyt, Crouch, Voronin, Kewell, Benayoun
You cannot decide which category Aurelio is in - he's never fit enough. The baffling one for me is Mascherano. Great player ? I'm not totally convinced certainly not at £17M. Great defensive player who looks like he would get a nose bleed if he ever appeared in the opponents penalty area - no wonder Benitez loves him. If he is in he goes in the top group - if he's out he goes - £17M for a squad player is madness. Riise, Alonso, Sissoko all suffer due to Benitez and the rotation crap - they can do a job, they have done a job - including Sissoko. The problem is the bottom group. All of then could not punch their way through a soggy Echo. We need one striker - should have been Anelka. A right sided midfield player and a full back. Guhtrie and Warnock are doing fine at their clubs. Above all we need a manager - a leader, a motivator, a manager with passion. We have a squad capable of coming good. Benitez has not improved the squad. Crouch, Voronin, Kuyt or Baros ? Smicer or Benayoun ? Hamman had another year in him. Despite recent perforamnces there is the makings of a great side - we need a great manager. Hicks now says Benitez is staying for at least two years - if he is he needs to make it part of his contract that he cannot pick anyone from the bottom group !!!! Benitez loves the bottom group - there in lies the problem. Rafa Benitez is distinctly average.
I love the way in which you grade the players otleyred, but disagree with you slightly re your ratings, I would rate the players :
TOP GROUP REINNA CARRAGHER AGGER GERRARD MASCHERANO TORRES
MIDDLE GROUP FINNAN HYPIA ABELOA BENNYOUN ALONSO LUCAS BABEL CROUCH
BOTTOM GROUP SISSOKO KEWELL PENNANT RIISE AURILIO KUYT VORONIN
I THINK MASCHERANO IS WORLD CLASS AND IS WELL WORTH 17M, I FEEL THAT ALONSO WOULD FLOURISBH UNDER A BETTER MANAGER, AS WOULD CROUCH.
I RECKON SISSOKO KUYT VORONIN AND PENNANT ARE COMPLETE AND UTTER RUBBISH , COLLECTIVELY THEY EARN IN THE REGION OF £120,000 A WEEK ,THEY ALL NEED TO BE ROTATED OUT THE DOOR. RIISE HAS SERVED THE CLUB WELL IN THE PAST BUT HASNT PLAYED WELL FOR US FOR AGES .
YOU ARE RIGHT IN WHAT YOU SAY OTTLEYRED, PLAYING THESE UNDER ACHIEVERS IS COSTING THE CLUB DEARLY.
RAFA BENITEZ IS A CLOWN, HE CANNOT MOTIVATE, IS TACTICLY OFF HIS HEAD, AND WILL NEVER WIN US THE PREMIERSHIP TROPHY. WHAT HIS ROTATION POLICY IS ABOUT ONLY HE WILL EVER KNOW ?, WE NEED TO GET RID OF HIM AT THE END OF THE SEASON,AND BRING IN A TOP QUALITY MANAGER.
THEN THE TOP QUALITY PLAYERS AND FAIRLY GOOD PLAYERS WITH A FEW NEW TOP CLASS EDITIONS LESS THE CLOWNS WILL SERVE US WELL FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
ALL WE ASK FOR IS A TEAM THAT WILL CHALLENGE FOR THE PREMIER , NOT ONE THAT IS HISTORY COME DECEMBER.
Submitted by Anonymousa (not verified) on Mon, 2008-01-28 08:44.
i think thats a really good point there, up until now i have been thinking rafa is the nuts but why sell baros and replace him (after a period of time obviously) with voronin, we only got six million for him at the time too hradly something to write home about, also i think i would prefer baros to kuyt, at least he scores every now and then, of course baros could only be used insted of torres (as a sub or if he is injured) because baros can pass to save his life and therefore needs to be the player futhest up the field, i reckon it has to be baros, this question has really changed by perspective on benitez,
oh and defo benayoun over simcer, firstly the age thing and secondly i just think benayoun is a very good player and could be placed in a team good enough to win the prem if there is real quality on the other side, he doesn't set up goals often but he has nice tidy passing and scores a good amount of goals for a winger (1 in 3), much better than pennant in this respect 1 ever!!! lol
anyways im interested to see how baros does a portsmouth for the rest of the season
benny is a good player, sissoko was and is crap. the others ok, but i think crouch is a good squad player. i agree wiht hamman thoe. as for mash well i like him too but 17 mil is alot and he wont win you the prem. but its the going rate, and he is at 23 good..
How can u put benayoun in the bottom group otleyred? he has been very good 4 us this season so i dunno why u put benayoun in 2 the bottom group! sissoko should be in the bottom group coz he has been shit 4 us this season how many goals has he scored compared 2 benayoun this season? hyppia should'nt be in the middle group coz he's getting on now nor skrtel he's only played one and a half games 4 us so he cant be judged either and u have babel in the middle group when he should be in the top group! u got the bottom group right with kuyt,voronin,kewell & crouch i certainly wont put benayoun in the bottom group thats just madness!
Kuyt was praising havants performance and he also said that he was dissapointed that he didnt hit the bk of the net and he said the same old fucking crap again! "I THINK THE GOALS WILL COME I JUST NEED TO KEEP WORKING HARD AND BE READY WHEN THE BALL COMES TO ME," HE COMMENTED is this guy 4 real he talks so much crap its unreal! doesnt he realise he is fucking crap and he'll never ever be a success at LFC i wish he'd fuck off back 2 holland he is crap and always will be the useless bastard!!!!
Submitted by Criticalmind on Mon, 2008-01-28 11:48.
I saw that too mate, he was praising Havant and claiming they are brave instead of admitting he sucks!! I would have rather see him get injured than Voronin..He's got just one goal in Premier league from open play, can't even score aginst Luton or Havant, what is he worth??? He is not even fit to play and score against non league teams...Why can't Rafa shift him somewhere else...Look at Ericson, he had Bianchi for just one season at ManCity and though the player has score a few goals but missed quite a lot, the player was loaned to play in italy..Why can't benitez loan kuyt to some league 2 or 3 teams or back in holland!!!! Is he so blind or what!!
Football is all about opinions but I beleive there is a common thread in the team debate. Four or five of the squad are woeful. I don't think Benayoun is a bad player - I just don't think he is strong enough physically to hold the right wing slot permanently if you want to win the title. Crouch, Riise and Alonso have suffered under Benitez - again I place Crouch in the bottom because he lacks strength pace and heading ability - a great guy who wants to play for the club but I am not sure he can lead the line with Torres permanently. Sissoko gets a hard deal in my opinion - he needs a good manager. However if Mascherano is to stay then so be it. Virtually everyone I know is in agreement give or take a player or two. The headache is who replaces Benitez. I know he has wound a few of us up in the past but if we are serious about the Title with this squad I can see no further than Mourinho. Break the bank and get him in. Above all he has the mental attitude to challenge for the season. The squad needs a bit of tweaking and an end to rotation.
what you guys, keep forgetting he wouild not last 5 mins with the yanks in charge. noone will, face it now untill the burden of the yanks have gone, there will not be any prem titles...
Why is it we all agree on our weaknesses but rafa cannot see them ? everyone agrees Kuyt Voronin Kewell and Sissoko arnt good enough, some add Riise Pennant and Crouch to that list.
These are the players that we need to get rid of to stand any chance of advancement.
Equally most of us want Rafa replaced, why is it then that his name gets sung constantly at games ? I just cannot understand the pro Rafa brigade.
on this site, maybey most want rafa gone, but not on most sites, or most of l,ppol fans look at the polls 88 per cent want rafa to stay the players yes kuyt is the main one , i can,t think of anyone who likes him. except his wife. oh and rafa....
Its what ive been saying 4 sometime is we know rafa is never gonna win us the EPL is he? thats why he has 2 go at the end of the season and make way 4 mourinho who has the skills and motivation 2 win us the PL with some money behind him he will do it. his arrival would have fergie,wenger & grant quaking in there boots!
its what us fans want more than anything is the EPL title 4 a club like LFC not 2 of won it in 18 yrs is a shambles! we need a manager that wont keep picking the crap of our squad i.e- kuyt,kewell,voronin,pennant etc etc... we would do a lot better if we replaced them with some of our reserve players a change is needed at LFC the sooner the better!
Submitted by Criticalmind on Mon, 2008-01-28 11:57.
As rouman said he won't last 5 mins in EPL without millions..his style of game is defensive like Benitez play..thats why he was sacked by abrahmovich..we don't want to play this kind of defensive football, we need the type of game LFC was playing in 80's..attacking football with class, just look at the chelsea results in maurinho era you'll noticed most of the games they won were just by 1-0, he just scores one goal and then defends... He is not the manager we need if we don't have millions to provide him.. I said it before, lots of Chelsea Prospective acquisitions were done after the requests of Frank Arnessen who is an expert in spotting talents... Abrahmovich paid millions to get the service of that man at chelsea. and he also claimed that Maurinho was playing too defensive, with Makelele, Essien and geremi all 3 are holding midfielders. Maurinho is not the answer, and anyway its clear that the yanks won't sack Rafa and pay him 6 million of damage for rupture of contract, so its better we forget this topic.
Mascherano and Skrtel are costing a lot of money; added to the money we spent in the summer.
Is this money being spent wisely? As I have previously said; I really like Mascherano. But for me he's too expensive for that type of player.
We could have had Ribery for 17 million and if we had got him last summer we'd be far better attacking.
Also, Quaresma would be 20 million. Why not put the money on him? I like Mascherano but don't think 17 million should be spent on him when it would buy us a world class striker or winger who will be matchwinners.
I reckon we need Mascherano 17M is cheap for an extablished International playuer who is only 23 abd will only get better. ).Bear in mind Mascherano's fee INCLUDES HIS WAGES , then take the 9m we are getting from Juventus for Sissoko into accont. i'd rather we sold Alonso who isn't getting many chances recently and hasn't shown much of he's initial promise for some while now, that said Rafa seems to play him in a defensive role that doesnt suit his style.
But I agree that we need a top quality winger and a top class striker ( we wont get much change out of 40m ).
We can get this money by offloading the following -
Crouch 10m Riise 5m Carson 8m Kuyt 5m and Pennant 8m thats 36M of the 40m.
i'm not convinced that Quesesma would suit the Premiership, I cannot deny that he is skillful but he looks a bit lightweight to me and a very moody player as well. That said there isnt an abundance of top quality wingers available.
Id like to see Anderson given a chance next season as I feel he has what it takes to make the grade wether Rafa will give him that chance though ?. He could end up saving us a fortune, He is doing brilliantly at Swansea and scoring a lot of goals as well, he;s on nine for the season which is good for a Winger.
We havn't had a top lass Winger since John Barnes, and we need to get one, Pennant is ok but if your trueful not really good enough.
disagree, eddie mate he is a top winger, superb. on his day a match for ronaldo the manc. i would love him at liverpool. and vincente, who is a class player, and i reckon valencia will let him go. mash is over priced i like him but he won,t win us the prem, he is a luxury player, good but do we need him,levita is comming on strong. and if alonso was pushed forward he will score goals.. i can.t say the same for mash. 17 mil is alot for a defensive player , but if we get him fine, i still want the other two thoe....
why i must agree the cost is high, and hopefully rafa and mascherano can make a deal for less with his greedy advisors. you got to remember how much was hargreves, carrick, Edgar Davids(in his day) Guttuso from AC Milan cost, they are all the same, and if we want quality we must pay. its a sorry state of affairs i agree but mascherano is in the top 5 defensive players in europe with hargreves not a touch on him. we must retain his services, a deal will be struck but like you i hope all parties see sense.
Ive always said mascherano is over priced its the greedy bastards that own him has put that price tag on him! as u said rouman he wont win us the PL he isnt even a scorer just a good passer and a ball winner he hasnt even scored 4 us yet he'll be another sissoko scoring one in every 100+ games... dont get me wrong he is a very good player but at £17m thats a bit steep we could get quaresma for at least £15m without a doubt he run rings around our defence the last time we played against porto i think rafa should sign him i know i said he was a show boater but look at the prick ronaldo we need someone 2 play 4 us that will give that prick a run 4 his money and quaresma is that player.
PART OF THE REASON MASCHERANO'S FEE IS SO HIGH IS THAT IT INCLUDES HIS WAGES . IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IT MAKES THE FEE PRETTY CHEAP, SAY HE EARNS 3M A YEAR 60,000 A WEEK, OVER 3 YEARS THATS 9M OF THE 17M FEE.
RE QUESESMA THERE IS NO WAY THAT HE WOULD COST 15M , MORE LIKE 25M, AS IVE SAID I CANNOT DISPUTE THAT HE IS SKILLFULL BUT I RECKON HE IS A RISK,A REAL GAMBLE, I'D RATHER SEE THE MONEY SPENT ON A MORE COMPLETE PLAYER.
RONALDO IS A FREAK PLAYER HE HAS ALLREADY SCORED 27 GOALS SO FAR THIS SEASON WITH 17 IN THE PREMIERSHIP ALONE. MOST STRIKERS DON'T SCORE LIKE HE DOES.I DONT LIKE HIM BUT HAVE TO ADMIT HE IS A TOP CLASS PLAYER.
i've been preaching for ages tat Masch is too expensive.. n oso tat Pennant isn't as bad as Eddie thinks he is.. But Eddie jus seems to luv Masch n hate Pennant..
Truth is anyone can easily be a holding midfielder like Masch, he's totally replaceable, cos its not our weakest link.. Wat we DO need is a quality winger in the mould of Ronaldo, n another striker n the mould of Torres..
Quaresma wud certainly give Ronaldo a run for his money.. not sure which striker tho..
Submitted by Barnes80 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-01-29 14:20.
Quaresma has just signed a new contract at porto. the person we should be looking at is Jeremy Menez of Monaco - he is available for about 7.5 million.
Masch is worth every penny mate, just look at every top side in europe they have someone in his mould. Stop shittin on our lads and get behind them cos we do have some class players but Kuyt is shite and wayy to average for the prem
Submitted by Criticalmind on Tue, 2008-01-29 16:01.
If somebody has to leave its got to be kuyt, he could not even score against Havant!! Played 17 league matches and got only ONE goal from open play, and that crap costed us 9 million. Voronin came for free, he manage to get players in the game and is better placed than kuyt, i'll agree he's got some bad games lately but he was way better at the beginning of the season, I wrote on the forum once along with statistics proving that Voronin is the least shitty among the useless strikers we've got. Kuyt has been degrading since we bought him..Its because of his missed chances that we lost in Athen..from 30 occasions he scored only one goal. I wouldn't mind however if we succeed in offloading all three: Crouch, voronin and Crouch, that will give better chances to Babel or other youngsters from reserve.
i agree he is better than kuyt, but who is not. he is played in the wrong postion, he should be played behinde the strikers , he is not a main striker, or a wide player. the only reason he has been crap the last few games is he has played out of postion. but we do need a striker to help torres, one with class, who? i don.t know we also need a winger with class, a decent full back, and who knows what will happen..
I'm getting extremely frustrated seeing Gudjohnson linked with Bolton. This is my real anger at Benitez; he seems to let good players we can AFFORD slip through the net because of his own bad judgement and then WHINGE when we can't afford more expensive players because players like Dirk Kuyt which he bought flop.
If Benitez is in charge next season, which I fear will be the case unless we finish 5th and the fans call for his head, then he must buy Gudjohnson. For 6-7 million he's ideal for Liverpool. Surely everyone can see this.
We let Anelka through the net when we could have had him 2 years ago for 9 million of Fenerbache - the price of worthless Kuyt. Anelka is a world class striker we are crying out for. MASSIVE mistake by Benitez.
We let Berbatov through the net. We let Rosicky through the net though he was linked with us the season Benitez arrived. If we let Gudjohnson go to another Premier team then Benitez is a JOKE.
ive gotta agree with you about eider, i think he would be the perfect player to play just off of torres, he,s not a prolific goalscorer but he does score a few goals and would be ideal and we can afford him. i was gutted when anelka left because he is an absolute brilliant player and he even said he was gutted to leave liverpool, but rafa has this knack of letting good to excellent players slip through the net and it is so frustrating but then again houllier was just as bad because he was given the chance to sign a certain ronaldo but said he was too under developed and then ferguson stepped in and look at him now.
he is a good player, and i would love to see him at anfield. but for 5 mil not 7 or 8 mil he is 29 and his value is 5 mil. thats why only bolton want him silly money for a 29 year old.
Hard to believe that anyone in there right mind would buy Sissoko for 9m, but ranieri has , what a great bit of business. What is needed now is for another idiot to buy Dirk Kuyt.
i have the same thoughts on rafa letting good players slip through the net again we've been linked with gudjohsen thats as far as it will go coz of rafa he doesnt know a good player when he see's one i really dont know where we are with rafa no doubts he will play kuyt 2moro when rafa should be selling him aswell because he is fucking crap he knows we need another striker 2 play up front with torres but it doesnt look like its gonna happen with 2 days of the transfer window left 2 run so it looks like a 5th place finish this season then especially if rafa keeps playing kuyt!!!!
GREAT WIN
liverpool won 4-0 we are now in third place with a game in hand to chelsea and arsnal.
GOOD TO SEE THE GOALS BEING SHARED AROUND
ISNT IT GOOD TO SEE THE GOALS BEING SHARED AROUND ? WE ARE CREATING A HELL OF A LOT OF CHANCES, HAVING BENNYOUN IN THE TEAM INSTEAD OF PENNANT IS A MAJOR PLUS THE GUY NOT ONLY SCORES GOALS BUT CREATES CHANCES AS WELL. EQUALLY BABELL ALLWAYS LOOKS LIKELY TO SCORE, TORRES WELL THE GUY IS CLASS GERRARD IS ON NINE SO FAR, WE LOOK LIKE SCORING FROM DIFFERENT AREAS UNLIKE LAST SEASON.
THATS ABOUT 20 GOALS IN FOUR GAMES AND WE HAVE ONLY CONCEDED ONE. LETS HOPE THIS RUN CONTINUES FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.AGAINST BOLTON TODAY WE COULD HAVE HAD 7 OR 8 AND IT WAS THE SAME AT NEWCASTLE LAST WEEK , WE ARE PLAYING WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE AND ONE TEAM IS GOING TO GET HAMMERED VERY SHORTLY - LETS HOPE ITS MAN U.
Torres gerrard babel crouch
these four need to continue to score. all will reach double figures, but its the champs league and PREM i want the goals in not the cups, beating burnley 19 nil is great for the strikers if they score but means nothing if all they goals come in the smaller comps. League league league league everytime all the time for this season. arsenal are not invincible and we can match and catch them, we have enough belief in ourselves now with torres and babel going forward to finish off teams we would of drawn with last year, and after birmingham and blackburn i reckon the team knows that now, big shout for kewell who is pushing hard to get fit, yes its about time and some would say a waste of money, but he cost us 5 million so not alot, big wages but the lads pushing for a new contract and if he stays fit, gets back somewhere near his best we have a great winger who can create things with the smallest of touches for the front 2. rafa has always liked harry and is showing his faith in playing him now.
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You was right about KUYT not scoring against havant & w he is one crap bastard! and that header he had he just headed the fucker in 2 the ground! he's a joke and the worst ever striker 2 wear a LFC shirt rafa needs 2 get him out A.S.A.P crouch is just as bad with the chance he missed when it came off the keeper but kuyt needs 2 go without doubt!!!!!
Good performances
We played ok 2day but we should of won a lot more convincenly what a great hatrick from benayoun his 2nd hatrick of the season what a player and an even better player is lucas what a strike 2day he has a great future ahead of him at anfield providing rafa plays him a lot more and in the right position the same goes 4 benayoun i know it was part timers but benayoun took his goals well so did lucas very good players.
benayoun as a striker?
The way benayoun took 2 of his 3 goals 2day he should play up front he knows how 2 score unlike kuyt! crouch didnt do 2 good either ok he scored but he was offside. we should of had a lot more than 5 goals the defence was all over the place 4 havants 2 goals we are along way off from being a force in the PL changes needs 2 be made a quick!
where is everyone?
where have u all gone? there hasnt been no reply's 2 liverpool's win 2day.
GILLETT & HICKS AT LOGGERHEADS?
Thats a bit of good news 4 us on the walkon website it states that gillett resfused 2 put his signature on the statement 4 the refinance of LFC according 2 reports gilletts son left his office and he doesnt have any plans 2 return and gillett also thinks holding on 2 LFC isnt in there best interest either that what he was quoted as saying...
reading in the observer 2day that DIC are still interested in trying 2 buy LFC i hope this is all true coz we need the financial clout of DIC not the LOANERS! all the money G&H has got they still took out a loan 2 buy the club im still hoping that DIC will buy them out!
TOM HICKS INTERVIEW ON BBC WEBSITE
Kev j if you listern to Tom Hick's interview on the BBC website , he blames all this conjecture on the press, and states that him and Gillet don't plan on selling to anyone. He also states that Rafa will remain the Manager at Anfield for the duration of his contract.
Rafa to stay!!!!!!!!
That's the danger of owners who know nothing about football; they'll be guided by the what they read in newspapers because they don't don't understand football enough to see what's happening on the field.
Liverpool won't win the title with Benitez so if he remains in charge it's only cup games we will win.
eddie
If u go on 2 the walkon website and click on the 2 to 4 hrs old news and you will see it 4 yourself.
KEV J
Yes I know, but the BBC website interview says he's staying and Rafa will remain for the next 2 years. So what do you believe?
i personally want Hicks Gillet Benitez and Parry out, each and everyone of them have let Liverpool down.
Havant & Waterlooville
I thought Havant and Waterlooville did the non league proud in there performance at Anfield yesterday.
We were very poor in the first half and it was all down to Havents positive approach to the game. It was just as well we lifted our game in the second half, Havant did themselves proud, CONGRATULATIONS.
BENNYOUN
Yossi Bennyoun is proving to be a good player, and certainly has an eye for goal . 2 hat tricks this season and some very good perfomances , I wasnt over the moon when he was initially signed but I have been suprised to see him do so well , KEEP IT UP YOSSI - WELL DONE
Benayoun has done well
Benayoun has done well alright and is clearly better than Pennant, who never looks like scoring a goal.
But I don't think Benayoun is good enough week in week out on the right wing if we want to win a title. He hasn't scored many in the league and his two hatricks were against part-timers and a Turkish team who were pathetic on the night at Anfield.
So well done to Yossi yesterday but I still think he's only of real use as a good squad player.
The Benitez Squad
It's interesting to see the comments in relation to Benayoun and put's into perpective the squad and the Title.
Top Group - Class Acts that can bring Glory to the Club
Gerrard, Carragher, Reina, Agger, Torres, Alonso
Middle Group - Good Squad Players ( Now & Future )
Finnan, Hypia, Riise, Arbeloa, Leiva, Hobbs, Babbel, Sissoko, Skrtel ?
Bottom Group - Distinctly Average Players Who Will Never Win You The Title
Pennant, Kuyt, Crouch, Voronin, Kewell, Benayoun
You cannot decide which category Aurelio is in - he's never fit enough. The baffling one for me is Mascherano. Great player ? I'm not totally convinced certainly not at £17M. Great defensive player who looks like he would get a nose bleed if he ever appeared in the opponents penalty area - no wonder Benitez loves him. If he is in he goes in the top group - if he's out he goes - £17M for a squad player is madness. Riise, Alonso, Sissoko all suffer due to Benitez and the rotation crap - they can do a job, they have done a job - including Sissoko. The problem is the bottom group. All of then could not punch their way through a soggy Echo. We need one striker - should have been Anelka. A right sided midfield player and a full back. Guhtrie and Warnock are doing fine at their clubs. Above all we need a manager - a leader, a motivator, a manager with passion. We have a squad capable of coming good. Benitez has not improved the squad. Crouch, Voronin, Kuyt or Baros ? Smicer or Benayoun ? Hamman had another year in him. Despite recent perforamnces there is the makings of a great side - we need a great manager. Hicks now says Benitez is staying for at least two years - if he is he needs to make it part of his contract that he cannot pick anyone from the bottom group !!!! Benitez loves the bottom group - there in lies the problem. Rafa Benitez is distinctly average.
GREAT RATING IDEA OTLEYRED
I love the way in which you grade the players otleyred, but disagree with you slightly re your ratings, I would rate the players :
TOP GROUP REINNA CARRAGHER AGGER GERRARD MASCHERANO TORRES
MIDDLE GROUP FINNAN HYPIA ABELOA BENNYOUN ALONSO LUCAS BABEL CROUCH
BOTTOM GROUP SISSOKO KEWELL PENNANT RIISE AURILIO KUYT VORONIN
I THINK MASCHERANO IS WORLD CLASS AND IS WELL WORTH 17M, I FEEL THAT ALONSO WOULD FLOURISBH UNDER A BETTER MANAGER, AS WOULD CROUCH.
I RECKON SISSOKO KUYT VORONIN AND PENNANT ARE COMPLETE AND UTTER RUBBISH , COLLECTIVELY THEY EARN IN THE REGION OF £120,000 A WEEK ,THEY ALL NEED TO BE ROTATED OUT THE DOOR. RIISE HAS SERVED THE CLUB WELL IN THE PAST BUT HASNT PLAYED WELL FOR US FOR AGES .
YOU ARE RIGHT IN WHAT YOU SAY OTTLEYRED, PLAYING THESE UNDER ACHIEVERS IS COSTING THE CLUB DEARLY.
RAFA BENITEZ IS A CLOWN, HE CANNOT MOTIVATE, IS TACTICLY OFF HIS HEAD, AND WILL NEVER WIN US THE PREMIERSHIP TROPHY. WHAT HIS ROTATION POLICY IS ABOUT ONLY HE WILL EVER KNOW ?, WE NEED TO GET RID OF HIM AT THE END OF THE SEASON,AND BRING IN A TOP QUALITY MANAGER.
THEN THE TOP QUALITY PLAYERS AND FAIRLY GOOD PLAYERS WITH A FEW NEW TOP CLASS EDITIONS LESS THE CLOWNS WILL SERVE US WELL FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
ALL WE ASK FOR IS A TEAM THAT WILL CHALLENGE FOR THE PREMIER , NOT ONE THAT IS HISTORY COME DECEMBER.
voronin or baros?
i think thats a really good point there, up until now i have been thinking rafa is the nuts but why sell baros and replace him (after a period of time obviously) with voronin, we only got six million for him at the time too hradly something to write home about, also i think i would prefer baros to kuyt, at least he scores every now and then, of course baros could only be used insted of torres (as a sub or if he is injured) because baros can pass to save his life and therefore needs to be the player futhest up the field, i reckon it has to be baros, this question has really changed by perspective on benitez,
oh and defo benayoun over simcer, firstly the age thing and secondly i just think benayoun is a very good player and could be placed in a team good enough to win the prem if there is real quality on the other side, he doesn't set up goals often but he has nice tidy passing and scores a good amount of goals for a winger (1 in 3), much better than pennant in this respect 1 ever!!! lol
anyways im interested to see how baros does a portsmouth for the rest of the season
no way
benny is a good player, sissoko was and is crap. the others ok, but i think crouch is a good squad player. i agree wiht hamman thoe. as for mash well i like him too but 17 mil is alot and he wont win you the prem. but its the going rate, and he is at 23 good..
benayoun?
How can u put benayoun in the bottom group otleyred? he has been very good 4 us this season so i dunno why u put benayoun in 2 the bottom group! sissoko should be in the bottom group coz he has been shit 4 us this season how many goals has he scored compared 2 benayoun this season? hyppia should'nt be in the middle group coz he's getting on now nor skrtel he's only played one and a half games 4 us so he cant be judged either and u have babel in the middle group when he should be in the top group! u got the bottom group right with kuyt,voronin,kewell & crouch i certainly wont put benayoun in the bottom group thats just madness!
KUYT!!!
Kuyt was praising havants performance and he also said that he was dissapointed that he didnt hit the bk of the net and he said the same old fucking crap again! "I THINK THE GOALS WILL COME I JUST NEED TO KEEP WORKING HARD AND BE READY WHEN THE BALL COMES TO ME," HE COMMENTED is this guy 4 real he talks so much crap its unreal! doesnt he realise he is fucking crap and he'll never ever be a success at LFC i wish he'd fuck off back 2 holland he is crap and always will be the useless bastard!!!!
I said it..Kuyt is shit!!
I saw that too mate, he was praising Havant and claiming they are brave instead of admitting he sucks!! I would have rather see him get injured than Voronin..He's got just one goal in Premier league from open play, can't even score aginst Luton or Havant, what is he worth??? He is not even fit to play and score against non league teams...Why can't Rafa shift him somewhere else...Look at Ericson, he had Bianchi for just one season at ManCity and though the player has score a few goals but missed quite a lot, the player was loaned to play in italy..Why can't benitez loan kuyt to some league 2 or 3 teams or back in holland!!!! Is he so blind or what!!
Debate
Football is all about opinions but I beleive there is a common thread in the team debate. Four or five of the squad are woeful. I don't think Benayoun is a bad player - I just don't think he is strong enough physically to hold the right wing slot permanently if you want to win the title. Crouch, Riise and Alonso have suffered under Benitez - again I place Crouch in the bottom because he lacks strength pace and heading ability - a great guy who wants to play for the club but I am not sure he can lead the line with Torres permanently. Sissoko gets a hard deal in my opinion - he needs a good manager. However if Mascherano is to stay then so be it. Virtually everyone I know is in agreement give or take a player or two. The headache is who replaces Benitez. I know he has wound a few of us up in the past but if we are serious about the Title with this squad I can see no further than Mourinho. Break the bank and get him in. Above all he has the mental attitude to challenge for the season. The squad needs a bit of tweaking and an end to rotation.
mourinho....
what you guys, keep forgetting he wouild not last 5 mins with the yanks in charge. noone will, face it now untill the burden of the yanks have gone, there will not be any prem titles...
FUNNY HOW WE ALL AGREE ON THE WEAKEST LINK
Why is it we all agree on our weaknesses but rafa cannot see them ? everyone agrees Kuyt Voronin Kewell and Sissoko arnt good enough, some add Riise Pennant and Crouch to that list.
These are the players that we need to get rid of to stand any chance of advancement.
Equally most of us want Rafa replaced, why is it then that his name gets sung constantly at games ? I just cannot understand the pro Rafa brigade.
eddie888..
on this site, maybey most want rafa gone, but not on most sites, or most of l,ppol fans look at the polls 88 per cent want rafa to stay the players yes kuyt is the main one , i can,t think of anyone who likes him. except his wife. oh and rafa....
FA CUP BARNSLEY AT ANFIELD
GREAT DRAW FOR THE 5TH ROUND HOME TO BARNSLEY PLUS MANCS V ARSE - LAST 8 HERE WE COME.
that i agree on otleyred
Its what ive been saying 4 sometime is we know rafa is never gonna win us the EPL is he? thats why he has 2 go at the end of the season and make way 4 mourinho who has the skills and motivation 2 win us the PL with some money behind him he will do it. his arrival would have fergie,wenger & grant quaking in there boots!
its what us fans want more than anything is the EPL title 4 a club like LFC not 2 of won it in 18 yrs is a shambles! we need a manager that wont keep picking the crap of our squad i.e- kuyt,kewell,voronin,pennant etc etc... we would do a lot better if we replaced them with some of our reserve players a change is needed at LFC the sooner the better!
Maurinho is defensive too..
As rouman said he won't last 5 mins in EPL without millions..his style of game is defensive like Benitez play..thats why he was sacked by abrahmovich..we don't want to play this kind of defensive football, we need the type of game LFC was playing in 80's..attacking football with class, just look at the chelsea results in maurinho era you'll noticed most of the games they won were just by 1-0, he just scores one goal and then defends... He is not the manager we need if we don't have millions to provide him.. I said it before, lots of Chelsea Prospective acquisitions were done after the requests of Frank Arnessen who is an expert in spotting talents... Abrahmovich paid millions to get the service of that man at chelsea. and he also claimed that Maurinho was playing too defensive, with Makelele, Essien and geremi all 3 are holding midfielders. Maurinho is not the answer, and anyway its clear that the yanks won't sack Rafa and pay him 6 million of damage for rupture of contract, so its better we forget this topic.
23.5 million for 2 players
Mascherano and Skrtel are costing a lot of money; added to the money we spent in the summer.
Is this money being spent wisely? As I have previously said; I really like Mascherano. But for me he's too expensive for that type of player.
We could have had Ribery for 17 million and if we had got him last summer we'd be far better attacking.
Also, Quaresma would be 20 million. Why not put the money on him? I like Mascherano but don't think 17 million should be spent on him when it would buy us a world class striker or winger who will be matchwinners.
WE NEED MASCHERANO
I reckon we need Mascherano 17M is cheap for an extablished International playuer who is only 23 abd will only get better. ).Bear in mind Mascherano's fee INCLUDES HIS WAGES , then take the 9m we are getting from Juventus for Sissoko into accont. i'd rather we sold Alonso who isn't getting many chances recently and hasn't shown much of he's initial promise for some while now, that said Rafa seems to play him in a defensive role that doesnt suit his style.
But I agree that we need a top quality winger and a top class striker ( we wont get much change out of 40m ).
We can get this money by offloading the following -
Crouch 10m Riise 5m Carson 8m Kuyt 5m and Pennant 8m thats 36M of the 40m.
i'm not convinced that Quesesma would suit the Premiership, I cannot deny that he is skillful but he looks a bit lightweight to me and a very moody player as well. That said there isnt an abundance of top quality wingers available.
Id like to see Anderson given a chance next season as I feel he has what it takes to make the grade wether Rafa will give him that chance though ?. He could end up saving us a fortune, He is doing brilliantly at Swansea and scoring a lot of goals as well, he;s on nine for the season which is good for a Winger.
We havn't had a top lass Winger since John Barnes, and we need to get one, Pennant is ok but if your trueful not really good enough.
qauesmara...
disagree, eddie mate he is a top winger, superb. on his day a match for ronaldo the manc. i would love him at liverpool. and vincente, who is a class player, and i reckon valencia will let him go. mash is over priced i like him but he won,t win us the prem, he is a luxury player, good but do we need him,levita is comming on strong. and if alonso was pushed forward he will score goals.. i can.t say the same for mash. 17 mil is alot for a defensive player , but if we get him fine, i still want the other two thoe....
1Red1Pool
why i must agree the cost is high, and hopefully rafa and mascherano can make a deal for less with his greedy advisors. you got to remember how much was hargreves, carrick, Edgar Davids(in his day) Guttuso from AC Milan cost, they are all the same, and if we want quality we must pay. its a sorry state of affairs i agree but mascherano is in the top 5 defensive players in europe with hargreves not a touch on him. we must retain his services, a deal will be struck but like you i hope all parties see sense.
n/a
agree rouman
Ive always said mascherano is over priced its the greedy bastards that own him has put that price tag on him! as u said rouman he wont win us the PL he isnt even a scorer just a good passer and a ball winner he hasnt even scored 4 us yet he'll be another sissoko scoring one in every 100+ games... dont get me wrong he is a very good player but at £17m thats a bit steep we could get quaresma for at least £15m without a doubt he run rings around our defence the last time we played against porto i think rafa should sign him i know i said he was a show boater but look at the prick ronaldo we need someone 2 play 4 us that will give that prick a run 4 his money and quaresma is that player.
PART OF THE REASON MASCHERANO 'S FEE IS 17M
PART OF THE REASON MASCHERANO'S FEE IS SO HIGH IS THAT IT INCLUDES HIS WAGES . IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IT MAKES THE FEE PRETTY CHEAP, SAY HE EARNS 3M A YEAR 60,000 A WEEK, OVER 3 YEARS THATS 9M OF THE 17M FEE.
RE QUESESMA THERE IS NO WAY THAT HE WOULD COST 15M , MORE LIKE 25M, AS IVE SAID I CANNOT DISPUTE THAT HE IS SKILLFULL BUT I RECKON HE IS A RISK,A REAL GAMBLE, I'D RATHER SEE THE MONEY SPENT ON A MORE COMPLETE PLAYER.
RONALDO IS A FREAK PLAYER HE HAS ALLREADY SCORED 27 GOALS SO FAR THIS SEASON WITH 17 IN THE PREMIERSHIP ALONE. MOST STRIKERS DON'T SCORE LIKE HE DOES.I DONT LIKE HIM BUT HAVE TO ADMIT HE IS A TOP CLASS PLAYER.
qauesmara
qauresmara would be a great signing
but without dubais money no chance
but keep dreaming.
n i agree too..
i've been preaching for ages tat Masch is too expensive.. n oso tat Pennant isn't as bad as Eddie thinks he is.. But Eddie jus seems to luv Masch n hate Pennant..
Truth is anyone can easily be a holding midfielder like Masch, he's totally replaceable, cos its not our weakest link.. Wat we DO need is a quality winger in the mould of Ronaldo, n another striker n the mould of Torres..
Quaresma wud certainly give Ronaldo a run for his money.. not sure which striker tho..
Red4life
Quaresma has just signed a
Quaresma has just signed a new contract at porto. the person we should be looking at is Jeremy Menez of Monaco - he is available for about 7.5 million.
Masch is worth every penny mate, just look at every top side in europe they have someone in his mould. Stop shittin on our lads and get behind them cos we do have some class players but Kuyt is shite and wayy to average for the prem
But Voronin is even worse!!!
But Voronin is even worse!!! he needs to leave thew club and join Derby or somethin but i suspect that even they wont want him!!!
Voronin is much much better than kuyt!!
If somebody has to leave its got to be kuyt, he could not even score against Havant!! Played 17 league matches and got only ONE goal from open play, and that crap costed us 9 million. Voronin came for free, he manage to get players in the game and is better placed than kuyt, i'll agree he's got some bad games lately but he was way better at the beginning of the season, I wrote on the forum once along with statistics proving that Voronin is the least shitty among the useless strikers we've got. Kuyt has been degrading since we bought him..Its because of his missed chances that we lost in Athen..from 30 occasions he scored only one goal. I wouldn't mind however if we succeed in offloading all three: Crouch, voronin and Crouch, that will give better chances to Babel or other youngsters from reserve.
voronin...
i agree he is better than kuyt, but who is not. he is played in the wrong postion, he should be played behinde the strikers , he is not a main striker, or a wide player. the only reason he has been crap the last few games is he has played out of postion. but we do need a striker to help torres, one with class, who? i don.t know we also need a winger with class, a decent full back, and who knows what will happen..
players
voronin has got to go buy pablo aimar and play babel up front with
torres and drop kuyt and play crouch when the top two get knackered
Eidur Gudjohnson
I'm getting extremely frustrated seeing Gudjohnson linked with Bolton. This is my real anger at Benitez; he seems to let good players we can AFFORD slip through the net because of his own bad judgement and then WHINGE when we can't afford more expensive players because players like Dirk Kuyt which he bought flop.
If Benitez is in charge next season, which I fear will be the case unless we finish 5th and the fans call for his head, then he must buy Gudjohnson. For 6-7 million he's ideal for Liverpool. Surely everyone can see this.
We let Anelka through the net when we could have had him 2 years ago for 9 million of Fenerbache - the price of worthless Kuyt. Anelka is a world class striker we are crying out for. MASSIVE mistake by Benitez.
We let Berbatov through the net. We let Rosicky through the net though he was linked with us the season Benitez arrived. If we let Gudjohnson go to another Premier team then Benitez is a JOKE.
gudjohnson
ive gotta agree with you about eider, i think he would be the perfect player to play just off of torres, he,s not a prolific goalscorer but he does score a few goals and would be ideal and we can afford him. i was gutted when anelka left because he is an absolute brilliant player and he even said he was gutted to leave liverpool, but rafa has this knack of letting good to excellent players slip through the net and it is so frustrating but then again houllier was just as bad because he was given the chance to sign a certain ronaldo but said he was too under developed and then ferguson stepped in and look at him now.
gudjohnson...
he is a good player, and i would love to see him at anfield. but for 5 mil not 7 or 8 mil he is 29 and his value is 5 mil. thats why only bolton want him silly money for a 29 year old.
SISSOKO SOLD FOR A PROFIT WHAT CHANCE KUYT
Hard to believe that anyone in there right mind would buy Sissoko for 9m, but ranieri has , what a great bit of business. What is needed now is for another idiot to buy Dirk Kuyt.
Maybe Roy Keane?
He seems to have bought all shite players at Sunderland, including 9 million for a goalkeeper that only ever played in the SPL!
He might give us 9 million back for Kuyt. Now that would be daylight robbery.
agree 1red1pool
i have the same thoughts on rafa letting good players slip through the net again we've been linked with gudjohsen thats as far as it will go coz of rafa he doesnt know a good player when he see's one i really dont know where we are with rafa no doubts he will play kuyt 2moro when rafa should be selling him aswell because he is fucking crap he knows we need another striker 2 play up front with torres but it doesnt look like its gonna happen with 2 days of the transfer window left 2 run so it looks like a 5th place finish this season then especially if rafa keeps playing kuyt!!!!
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