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I don't know if this poll
I don't know if this poll should be limited to 2 options? I think Rafa is a very good and respected manager. This opinion is shared by many managers in England and Spain, as well as, other countries.
Perhaps the yanks are still open to learn after the last few huge mistakes that have put our club into the public eye in a less than respectful image. Lets hope so since they are still the owners at this date.
magnumopus
What other option do you want me to add to the poll?
who should leave? include Parry
I reckon that Parry should walk.. mind you he will when Tongue and Groove disappear :)
YNWA RAFA!!
G&H should pack and go
Hey these americans should leave immediately..they came in promising heaven,to our desgrace they r doing nothing.. they said work at the new Anfield woul be as soon as possible its now clocking up to 7 months.. they promised new players you see how they r frustrating Rafa,.. how many players have we missed out... due to lack of funds..name them Tevez, Quaresma,Dani Alves,Mancini,Etoo etc had they been here we would be talkig a defferent story...
The people who let us down are Moore and his Board of Directors they didnt scrutinise this guys all they were for is to fatten there pockets ... i still believe that had the Dubai guys bought Liverpool with Ansari being a loyal fun to the club we would be near Man U by now..
PLease lets save our club from this two oppotunists
viva rafa
Yanks must Go!
In all the years that I have supported Liverpool I have never known anything like what is happening at the club at the moment!
The Yanks have come in with empty promises, they clearly don't have the kind of money that is needed to make this club a success and in my opinion have treated Rafa in an unacceptable manor.
I would like to see Hicks and Gillet admit defeat and sell the club to DIC. As genuine Liverpool supporters the new owners would be in a position to finance the new stadium and give the manager the time and finances he needs to compete with Chelsea and Man Utd. Let’s hope it happens sooner rather than later!
I think you should add the
I think you should add the (All) option.
Never should of let the
Never should of let the Yanks in, in the first place. All promises and no deliveries.
I am 100% behind Rafas Revolution, in his short space of time at the club he has done wonders and with the proper backing he would take this club even further where it belongs...
I was gutted when Rick Parry
I was gutted when Rick Parry and David Moores decided to sell to Hicks and Gillet..DIC were much better proposition financially to be able to compete with the likes of Utd n Chelski we need real money not the american dollar!They are a disgrace to Liverpool Fc and such kind of people shouldnt be allowed to own such a prestigious club like ours!They should leave now and DIC who were very angry at the time but still remained quiet and humble should take over as owners with al ansari we got a fan who comes to watch the team on a regular basis not just here for show!Gillet n hicks are clowns in it to make a quick buck wonder how moores feels now?!I know serial a*s licker rick parry dont care his heads too far up hicks a*s!
I don't think Rafa is the
I don't think Rafa is the beee's knees and could do with chnagingthe way he doees things from time to time but hey we all live and learn and he is always adapting etc etc . BUT the way the yanks have gone about things such as talking to the newspapers b4 the staff is a disgrace and does mean they have no idea aboutthe liverpool way.
Would you trust TH ? no way is my answer.
let show them that they have lost our support and they should leave asap
Is Rafa realy that worst that some people are saying?
Are we really in that bad position??? If we can win the game in hand we would be just 9 points off the leaders, meaning 3 match.. Arsenal and Chelsea have yet to play ManCity and like ManUre they may get beated there, or with some luck gets a draw..ManUre has yet to play at portsmouth which they may draw..what i want to say that we are not the only teams losing point to lower teams.. We made a draw to birmingham and Portsmouth all the fans and press criticise Benitez, Arsenal draw there, it goes unnoticed to those "so called liverpool fans", and got beated at middlesbourough and we got a draw, same scenario, so if with our worst football we at least got a draw, means Rafa is better than wenger theoretically, isn't it??
Soem people seems to just look for a negativity in rafa, and the only argument they can find is ROTATION, Rafa was wrong to rotate at the beginning of the season, BUT thats PAST now!!! If he change the side nowadays, its clear to protect and rest players!!! Why don't some people more stubborn than rafa get that in their mind and stop complaining about that word!!!!
Talents comes from players, they can't be just put by the manager in them, and a manager can manage from available resources. Some people claiming Rafa spent 135 millions, But he did make sale of around 40 millions from those he bought, and also making profits on uncompetent players..we had to beg teams to buy Diao who cost a fortune, while teams like Juve are offering a load amt of money for the "crap" named sissoko, coz they saw potential in him.
If the squad is really incompetent, why do they create so many opportunities that Crouch, Kuyt or Vornin missed???????????? Do these occasions come from nowhere or a poor squad?? If thats the case then we should be proud that our poor unmotivated squad that Rafa has built can produce that much!! Why did nobody came to ask for him to be sacked for Having won the Champions league instead of Premier League???
Reina, Arbeloa, Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio, Benayoun, Mascherano, Lucas, El zhar, Babel, Torres..All of tehm are players under 25 and brought by Rafa, but Rafa's fault is that he can't remove part of his brain and put in their heads so that he can build them in one team!! You need time to construct except if you have your magic wand.
The MAIN problem that rafa has got to solve is the goalscoring..
1-0 UP AT HT
Its been a good display from us we have found it hard 2 break luton down brilliant flick from stevie g took 5 players out of the game and a good finish by babel we need 2 kick on in the second half and dont make the same mistake and allow luton back in to the game gonna have a cuppa b4 2nd half starts
F*CK KUYT IS SO SHIT!!!
Im watching the game and i cant believe how fucking crap kuyt is he still couldnt score he hit it straight at the keeper he needs 2 be sold coz he is fucking SHIT AND HE ALWAYS WILL BE END OF!!!
what the fcuk
why was gerrard subbed?
also torres?they were having a good game then 2 bring on kuyt my god say no more apart from him every1 had a good game even pennant well done lads cu in the next round ynwa
julie..
Football are not meant to be understood by girls...What the fuck do u want more when we are winning by 5-0?? Getting Gerrard or Torres injured or what!! Just look at the tackle on Torres just before he was subbed, that was such a dangerous one, both of them should have been subbed when we were 4-0.
But i agree with you and Kev J..KUYT is really shit..after talking so much in his diary he could not even score although left one to one with the keeper, shot on the players and appealing for penalty, thats the only way he can score!! Worst striker we've had since a decade!!
IF BENITEZ HAD FIELDED HE'S STRONGEST TEAM IN THE FIRST GAME
If Benitez had fielded he's strongest team in the first game we woudnt have needed to have the sodding replay.
Moores and Parry are
Moores and Parry are basically to blame for letting the Yanks in the door so the fans should take out their anger on them.
The Yanks paid good money for the club so in their eyes they can do as they want. Moores and Parry are the ones who sold the club out when DIC were clearly a more professional organisation than Harry and Larry.
some sense
This a good piece criticalmind. Often when we are so passionate about something we always let our hearts rule our head. It is difficult to keep things in proper perspective.Benitez needs time and our support. If he walks or gets sacked, there are not many who are capable of replacing him.
Anyway, Tom Hicks looks like a scoundrel.
1Red1Pool thats is absolute crap
blaming moores and parry is nonsense. The yanks didnt pay good money for the club. the money was borrowed from the banks and is now being added into a deal where they are borrowing more to fund a stadium, however the original fee is also included, DO YOU NOT THINK that business's do this, its was a long term stratdegy of theirs. They never had any intention of using their own money, AND HAVENT used a penny of it to date. that part of your critisum is wrong. They never intended to use their own assests as collateral against the buying club loan, as i said they did it for a year in the knowledge they would re finance it with a new loan agaisnt the clubs assests. Parry i dont really know and he is a business minded man, however Moores is a man who loves this club. he was a fan before you were and still will be untill his death. he could no longer afford the club running costs and knew this, so he sold thinking it would benifit the clubs future. he seeked confirmation from the yanks that the business deal would not be against the club assests and also that they intened to put the club first, they lied to him. it happens in business and moores was kept out of the loop as he had no business in the yanks cash coming from the states and its origin. this blaming anyone and everyone is stupid. why dont we all calm down otherwise my mum will be next in the firing line for not making the tea in time, effecting the players.
agree 1 red
I wouldnt say moores is 2 blame as much as that arse parry i wouldnt trust him as far as i could throw an elephant! he's a miserable fucker! he has his head so far up the yanks arse u can see his head in there mouth everytime the yanks give an interview! the yanks need 2 sell 2 DIC then fuck off parry and rafa and start again!
common Sense
I cant believe you wrote this crap man. We are the only club in the top 4 (no longer) that is travelling fast down the slippery slope. Your stats don't mean anything because at the end of the day we are in 7th place and the others remain at the top, and what is the value of creating chances if our forwards are unable to exploit them. Rafa put them there, then he is responsible... he bought them didn't he? I think its also important to remind you that the toughest matches are still to come, and you optimism is mind boggling. Are you predicting that all top 3 clubs are going to fall in a heap in the remaining part of this season whilst we rise like a shooting star? 9 points is a hell of a lot, please don't insult us. Oh... that part about Rafa's brains... I wonder what Wegner and Ferguson do, they've been doin this for years. They must have no brains by now.
By the way, those condescending Bigoted remarks you made to Julie are quite unacceptable and I think an apology is in order.
rednecks out
The yanks clearly dont love football or LFC. they love $ and only that. This goes against everything we stand for.
We need to come together and make a stand against them. we are the lifeblood of LFC and without our support they are going to struggle.
The arabs are reds fans and much richer, they also want to compete with the top sides and not mess about.
If the yanks stay they will damage us.
Rafa is king, long live the king. Yanks go home and stay there.
who the hell is voting for
who the hell is voting for rafa to go? not people from liverpool i bet.
h has had to work with a limited budget since day one and every manager makes transfer/selection mistakes.
the 20 who have voted for rafa to go need their heads checking. who do you think would do a better job? some ropey kraut who has no experience? bollox.
support rafa or f off.
I HAVE VOTED FOR RAFA TO GO
I am one of the ones who have voted for Rafa to go , I have supported the club for over thirty five years , and I do not need my head checking. Rafa Benitez has created a team playing the worst football that I have seen in years, his rotation has done my head in ,his negative tactics have done my head in , he has spent 135m ( some limited budget ) on a squad who do not play to anything like there true potential, and in my opinion Rafa Benitez will never win the Premiership trophy whilst manager of Liverpool because he is far too defensivly minded. Bring in a manager who knows how to motivate and win games against the big three as well as the lower teams. How long are you going to give the man ? how long are you going to bury your head in the sand ?, - RAFFA BENITEZ WILL NEVER WIN US THE PREMIERSHIP TROPHY BECAUSE HE IS NOT UP TO THE JOB. WE ARE LIGHT YEARS AWAY FROM COMPETING WITH THE LIKES OF MANCHESTER UNITED CHELSEA AND ARSENAL, WE ARE TWELVE POINTS OFF THE PACE IN JANUARY WHICH IS FRANKLY A FUCKING DISGRACE.
Rafa Benitez deserves better treatment from the yanks , but it still doesnt hide the fact that he is failing and failing badly.
our 2 youngsters are targets
According 2 reports 2day that la liga side racing santander want 2 take nabil el zahr and seb leto on a loan deal lets hope this move isnt made permanent! and reports 2day that we are trying 2 sign heinze for £5m b4 the transfer window slams shut! what are ur thoughts on this?
Moores sold the club to parasites
Moores sold the club to two Yankie parasites, stulivered, so clearly he has to accept AT LEAST some of the blame for this mess. He could have sold to DIC remember yet he put the club in the hands of the Yanks. Surely he should have been long enough in business to be a better judge of people?
No one denies he loves the club; but he loved the club when he appointed Houllier as JOINT MANAGER with Roy Evans which was one of the stupidist decisions in football so clearly he has proven in the past despite his love for the club he has made terrible decisions for the club. Letting the Yanks in is yet another example of his massive BLOOPERS.
Redhot..
Mate...am not claiming we are in good position if we are 4th in the league with a game in hand...neither am i claiming that Rafa is the only manager who can do a good job...neither am i claiming that we will overhaul the top 3...
All i wanted to point out..was to those supporters who believe Rafa is worst for the job right now are not quite really right... we can't judge a whole team if some misfits are ruining the opportunities given to them and the hardwork of others! Rafa did brought those craps..BUT..Did you knew that Kuyt would be a flop here after being top scorer in Holland? Did you knew that Crouch will miss so much after having been top scorer for southampton?? Its Football, all managers take risks...especially those who did not had the money to go for the best like Rooney, tevez, walcott etc who cost fortunes.
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE?
According 2 the independant newspaper there is a dispute between, hicks and gillett. and the liverpool board. the issue is weather the football club should be burdned with massive debts, some points has been raised about the yanks future at our beloved reds. according 2 the independant they have agreed a deal 2 sell. one source a major football financier,claimed on tuesday night that hicks & gillett had agreed a deal in principle 2 sell liverpool fc for £350 million and that a process of due diligence was currently under way. that begs the question who are the potential buyers? the group most persistently linked with a take over are DIC? i hope this is true and not hearsay bring in DIC a.s.a.p a spokeswoman 4 DIC has said no comment at this moment in time? so something is goin on isnt it what u think guys?
I wouldn't sack Benitez only
I wouldn't sack Benitez only for a top class manager like Mourinho, Criticalmind. Fans are getting behind Benitez now because everyone hates the Yanks; but if Moores was still in charge and there was harmoney in the boardroom there would still be a large number, and growing, of fans who are beginning to realise Benitez isn't going to win the Prem.
Maybe if he's given 100 million he will. But maybe Harry Redknapp would with 100 million to spend. Is it not time our manager accepted our finances and got on with it instead of excusing bad performances on money.
As for Kuyt, if you seen him play at the World Cup before we signed him you could see he was talentless. Benitez likes workhorses; that's why he bought him. Even Milan Baros was better, and he was shit too.
1Red1Pool..
I Definitely would like us to get a manger who can get us the title as soon as possible, But he need to show he is better than benitez, and can manage in the same cirumstances in which benitez is doing his job..Don't come to say Maurinho will do, coz if you ask him, he'll tell you he can't!!! He refused the England job, coz he knews he can't do anything without millions in England.. You give me a better name i'll agree But NOT Mourninho!!!
World Cup winner, European
World Cup winner, European Cup winner, Serie A winner... Marcello Lippi?
thats an option..
Is he willing?? Are the owners interested in him? will he adapt to EPL?? Will he be able to manage with the current good players we've got although very few? Anyway my choice would be a British one if Rafa was ever to leave.. for the time being its the owners who should be shown the Exit door ;)
Lippi could be persuaded to
Lippi could be persuaded to take the Anfield job if we really wanted him. There is no British manager good enough for Liverpool so it's pointless putting a guy in charge because of where he was born. Lippi is the highest qualified.
Would he adapt to British football? Well if he was in charge for 4 seasons and only been top for 1 week I would probably say no.
But he's been in 4 European Cup finals with Juventus so he knows how to do well in Europe too.
1red1pool what you trying to say
your comments about lippi are true he is a top manager, but your judging his acheivments as if rafa hasnt done the same, Rafa worked in a top league, took a medium size club and beat the big boys in barca and real madrid, rafa has won in euro like lippi, We beat ac milan remember and he took us there again and we should of won that game, he has won in the domestic cups ie FA CUP just like lippi. WHERE IS YOUR comparision???
one thing, rafa hasnt had multi million pounds available every yr like lippi, he doesnt have shevchenko, kaka, guttuso, dida, maldini etc etc etc saying lippi record better that rafa using your points is pointless and doesnt add up.
Stulivered, Benitez has a
Stulivered, Benitez has a top CV like Lippi, although Lippi's is actually better, but the point is Lippi hasn't been given 4 seasons in the Premiership to show how well he can do. He might be capapble of challenging for it till the end of the season even with our current finances. Benitez has had 4 seasons to prove he could only get top of the table for a week. With our current finances Benitez has proven he can't win the league, or get close to it.
Lippi's CV proves he has won even more than Benitez. So if he takes charge of Liverpool this June, it is extremely likely we'll be as good as we have been under Benitez, and many would bet we'd be a very good bet to do better in the league than Benitez has done.
And Lippi managed Juventus not Milan so he had Del Piero and co..
Carragher tells the truth!!
Great piece with Carra. He doesn't exactly put his money behind Benitez to win the title and says it time for excuses to end.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=508702&in_page_id=1779&ct=5
Ive got everything crossed
Ive got everything crossed this is true and not just wishfull thinking..
Hicks / Gillett are not wanted at LFC
disapointment
the 2 yanks r destroying our club i though big things we coming 2 us but when i read bout they r trying 2 get another loan 2 do the stadium after the bullshit they come out with they shouldn't av the nerve to show their faces & read the stadium is gonna be smaller than previously stated what a bunch of tossers !!! on other issue there's couple of issues with lippi 1st he don't speak any english & has said he wouldn't come here because of that reason , 2nd isn't he also a tinkerman & in england the league is a lot harder 2 win than if ur in the italians specially we the match fixing maybe lippi wouln't av won so many league games.
Hiddink??
Since there are a few people who arent mad about Mourinho or Lippi, how bout Hiddink. Ok i know his international record is slighty better than his club record, but he is a proven manager who has managed to get the best out of average players and has achieved success at various levels. He too lead an average Australian team to the world cup finals and has got Russia to European Championships.
If he wasnt of great calibre and not held in high regard, how come Abramovich was so keen to get him after Maureen went, it speaks volumes of the guy. I think he would be a great acquisition to Liverpool, if Rafa went( and i dont want to see that happening) but if it came to be, i think he would be excellent for the club. Tactics wise, he is astute and is a good organiser of squads. And he has yet to sign an extended contract with the Russian football federation, as long as he remembers to pay his taxes we should be ok with him. What does anyone else think??
I too voted for Rafa to go
Rafa did not have a limited budget, he spent/waisted 135 million and I dont care how hard he worked, the results are not encouraging. As to who can replace him? the answer is anyone will do at this stage.
Hiddik
I think Gus is a brilliant tactician, not a spectacular one but as you said "he can get the best out of average players" as opposed to not being able to get the best out of the best players. I think we desperately need a fresh eye to look at our position from a deferent angle, and steer us to the right direction and Gus may be the answer.
BREAKING NEWS
Mark this date in your calenders - February 18th 2008. Massive press
conference being planned at Anfield as we speak. The club has been sold
to DIC for 375 million pounds that will give the current owners $710
million - a $70 million profit. Al Ansari, CEO of DIC has completed his
due diligence.
The players and staff were made aware of this prior to the Luton game.
Rafa's job is safe but he has to bring in an assistant, this will be
Gary McAllister. Rick Parry who offended members of DIC last year, will
'step down' and the new owners will bring in David Dein as a
replacement.
No more money will be available for transfer's in the January window as
the current owners will not sanction any deals, unless players are sold.
The Summer will see massive player investment from DIC, believed to be
in the region of 85 million + whatever is made from player sales. This
could see a transfer budget of around 115 million. This is not a rumour,
this is all ligit. Remember who told you the Americans had brought the
club, four days before it was released and who let you guys know that
Fernando Torres had signed a deal a full week before the press even got
wind of it.
BREAKING NEWS
That was sent to me today. I posted the above btw...from an anfield 'insider'
doesnt look like there is goin to be a buy out by DIC
Well according 2 the walkon website DIC are no longer interested in buying LFC which is a shame because the club isnt gonna go anywhere as long as the yanks,parry & rafa is in charge so theres no point in putting the 18th of feb in my calendar is it?
kuyt
I just had a funny thought if kuyt doesnt score against havant & w then i dont know how he could show his face again coz so far he has been fucking useless look at the easy chance he had against luton! lol! rafa has 2 sell him a.s.a.p along with pennant,voronin,kewell & crouch get some money 4 them and get a top name striker 2 partner torres coz if he ever gets injured then we would be fcuked!
Breaking news lfc sold
i no i found out as well bout 1am this morning that they where sold by an informer inside liverpool i still have the orgianl email sayin the exzact same thing
club sold dubi
yes that s all true i found out my self at 1am this morning that it happend as one of my friends informed me as he works high up in liverpool football club. hwoever this news will not be released for at least a week!
is that true...
my friend mark my word is thats true what u have written i am going to kiss your feet plus options of getting upwards....lol
Anti Yank Hysteria
I thought Benitez was a complete idiot but he's got a lot of people fooled lately. Somethings we should consider before wasting time on any "protest" tonight.
Hicks and Gillett had nothing whatsoever to do with the following
They did not buy Dirk Kuyt
Thet do not play Crouch on the left wing (Reading A)
They did not buy Voronin
They do not play Voronin on the rght wing (Varios games)
They did not buy Benayoun
They did not buy Crouch
They do not favour Harry Kewell like a long lost son
They did not buy Jermain Pennant
They do not treat Stevie G like shit
They do not play Arbeloa in 3 diffrent positions in 4 weeks
They did not pick the team or chose the tactics for any of the following
Reading Away
Derby Away
Wigan Home
Man U Home
Middlesborough Away
Luton Away
They did not put Everton above us in the League
It is not due to Hicks or Gillett that we have not improved whatsoever in the League for the past 4 years.
How anyone sang for Rafa Benitez at Middlesborough is beyond me - the frist 45 minutes where the worst we have seen for many, many years. This will be the worst season for many, many years - all down to one man and one man only.
Rafa Benitez
hicks..
otley red, you have made, some valid comments. but you missed the most inportant ones out, first of all the yanks have lied to us, from day one. they have no money only debt, which they want to add oo to us, secondly they as owners undermined the fans, an rafa, and the team by asking klinsman, and probally capello too, to become the manager. even if you dislike rafa, what they did is not the liverpool waY.a cheap shot. hicks is the main man here a complete dollar chaser,we donot want him or need him.ask yourself a simple question who in there rightmind would, take liverpool on with those 2 yanks running it. you are entitlrd to your opinion on rafa , but even you must know the yanks need to go. with all the unrest at anfield, its no wonder the team is notplaying well it must have some effect on them like it does us fans. so tonight i like many others will make my voice heard YANKS OUT....
A WIN AGAINST VILLA IS VITAL
A win against Villa tonight is vital, we need to keep our heads in front of the chasing pack after forth place, to lose would be a disater and give belief to Villa , Portsmouth ,Everton , and Man City. Winning our home games will be the key to us achieving that goal.
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